[SI] New Mandates!

OK, here's the deal: in an attempt to encourage participation, the SI
Dictator has decided to announce multiple mandates with a "capture
date" so you can shoot for multiple mandates, and take more time for
the harder mandates. With that in mind, here's the next three
mandates, all of which have a capture date starting today:

Lines and Intersections: self explanatory. Due March 7th, 2010.

F8 and be the while any phot shot at F8 is acceptable, the hope is
that you'll submit something journalistic, a photo where you were in
the right place at the right time and just fired at will. Due April
11th, 2010

Facescape: a merciless shot of a person's face in high detail. No
animals, building facades, just human beings, please! The human face
is a source of endless interest, so find someone interesting, shoot
them, and show us the results! Due May 16th, 2010.

The shoot-in is located he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin

The rulez are he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage

I'll have sample shots and galleries posted within a day or two.

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:23:23 -0500, Bowser wrote:

OK, here's the deal: in an attempt to encourage participation, the SI
Dictator has decided to announce multiple mandates with a "capture
date" so you can shoot for multiple mandates, and take more time for
the harder mandates. With that in mind, here's the next three
mandates, all of which have a capture date starting today:

Lines and Intersections: self explanatory. Due March 7th, 2010.

F8 and be the while any phot shot at F8 is acceptable, the hope is
that you'll submit something journalistic, a photo where you were in
the right place at the right time and just fired at will. Due April
11th, 2010

Facescape: a merciless shot of a person's face in high detail. No
animals, building facades, just human beings, please! The human face
is a source of endless interest, so find someone interesting, shoot
them, and show us the results! Due May 16th, 2010.

The shoot-in is located he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin

The rulez are he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage

I'll have sample shots and galleries posted within a day or two.


I could shoot my face at f8 and get all 3 at once!

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On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:23:23 -0500, Bowser wrote:

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The rulez are he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage

I'll have sample shots and galleries posted within a day or two.

I could shoot my face at f8 and get all 3 at once!

LOL. Wish I'd have thought of that one!

--
Troy Piggins

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:06:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:23:23 -0500, Bowser wrote:

OK, here's the deal: in an attempt to encourage participation, the SI
Dictator has decided to announce multiple mandates with a "capture
date" so you can shoot for multiple mandates, and take more time for
the harder mandates. With that in mind, here's the next three
mandates, all of which have a capture date starting today:

Lines and Intersections: self explanatory. Due March 7th, 2010.

F8 and be the while any phot shot at F8 is acceptable, the hope is
that you'll submit something journalistic, a photo where you were in
the right place at the right time and just fired at will. Due April
11th, 2010

Facescape: a merciless shot of a person's face in high detail. No
animals, building facades, just human beings, please! The human face
is a source of endless interest, so find someone interesting, shoot
them, and show us the results! Due May 16th, 2010.

The shoot-in is located he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin

The rulez are he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage

I'll have sample shots and galleries posted within a day or two.


I could shoot my face at f8 and get all 3 at once!

Nice, but remember you're allowed three submissions for each mandate
with a file size limit of 300k per shot. This gives you lots of
creativity to explore your angular face, I guess.

Can't wait to see the results.

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:04:00 -0500, Bowser wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:06:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:23:23 -0500, Bowser wrote:

OK, here's the deal: in an attempt to encourage participation, the SI
Dictator has decided to announce multiple mandates with a "capture
date" so you can shoot for multiple mandates, and take more time for
the harder mandates. With that in mind, here's the next three
mandates, all of which have a capture date starting today:

Lines and Intersections: self explanatory. Due March 7th, 2010.

F8 and be the while any phot shot at F8 is acceptable, the hope is
that you'll submit something journalistic, a photo where you were in
the right place at the right time and just fired at will. Due April
11th, 2010

Facescape: a merciless shot of a person's face in high detail. No
animals, building facades, just human beings, please! The human face
is a source of endless interest, so find someone interesting, shoot
them, and show us the results! Due May 16th, 2010.

The shoot-in is located he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin

The rulez are he
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage

I'll have sample shots and galleries posted within a day or two.


I could shoot my face at f8 and get all 3 at once!

Nice, but remember you're allowed three submissions for each mandate
with a file size limit of 300k per shot. This gives you lots of
creativity to explore your angular face, I guess.

Can't wait to see the results.

Submitting a shot of my face would require a panorama to include all
of my nose. Does a panorama count as one entry, or one entry per
frame?
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On 10-02-05 19:23 , Bowser wrote:

Lines and Intersections: self explanatory. Due March 7th, 2010.

F8 and be the while any phot shot at F8 is acceptable, the hope is
that you'll submit something journalistic, a photo where you were in
the right place at the right time and just fired at will. Due April
11th, 2010

Facescape: a merciless shot of a person's face in high detail. No
animals, building facades, just human beings, please! The human face
is a source of endless interest, so find someone interesting, shoot
them, and show us the results! Due May 16th, 2010.

The Tri-fecta being a lines/intersection facescape at f/8.

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Bowser wrote:

F8 and be the while any phot shot at F8 is acceptable, the hope is
that you'll submit something journalistic, a photo where you were in
the right place at the right time and just fired at will. Due April
11th, 2010

Is that 35mm equivalent f/8 or absolute f/8? I mean in terms of depth of
field... so an APS crop SLR would be more like f/6 or something and a
P&S more like f/4.

yes, I'm just being difficult ;-)
But it's interesting to examine what the f/8 principal really means...

The intent could almost be interpreted as putting the camera in auto
mode although there are some cases where it would choose odd settings,
the point of the f/8 'rule' is to just put the camera on a safe setting
with best sharpness and a plenty fast shutter speed so you don't have to
think about settings or worry too much about shallow focus.

Compare to the 'sunny 16' rule which starts at f/16 for optimal
sharpness on full frame. Sunny 16 would only use f/8 on a cloudy day and
the intent of sunny 16 is to calculate exposure without a light meter so
that one has you scratching your head & counting fingers before every
shot. 'Sunny 16' is kind more a rule for tripod shooting.

Another guideline is for hand held shooting; shutter speed the same as
your focal length, 1/50 sec for 50mm. So at 50mm 1/50 sec, f/8. But 1/50
sec is an extreme setting, meaning you'd have to be real careful bracing
your arms against your body & pressing the shutter gently to avoid shake
- not what you want for "decisive moment" street shooting. "F/8 & be
there" is all about *not* using extreme settings.

Plus f/8 won't work for longer lenses unless it's full sun - if you had
to catch something in the shadows. So that implies something close to a
normal lens. If wide angle, f/16 would be safe.

The 'decisive moment' approach is similar to 'f/8' but implies action.
'F/8 and be there' could be catching someone taking a nap if it's
interesting and worth shooting. The 'decisive moment' approach also
implies artsy fartsy where 'f/8' is really more like a reporter's style,
which could be the opposite frame of mind. The f/8 rule could definitely
include flash also... even very harsh flash under bad lighting
conditions. Or it could be a sunset... caught at the perfect time from
the perfect vantage, where you are prepared with the camera in a safe
setting. How many times do we see amazing stuff like that but don't have
the camera out or have the settings ready for some peculiar situation? I
got another roll of film for my little Nikon EM with the 45mm pancake on
it and I left it in the car glovebox so that's going to be my 'f/8 and
be there' strategy.

Boy, do I like to make things complicated or what? g

Thanks for keeping the SI running Bowser!

On 10-02-06 15:22 , Paul Furman wrote:
Bowser wrote:

F8 and be the while any phot shot at F8 is acceptable, the hope is
that you'll submit something journalistic, a photo where you were in
the right place at the right time and just fired at will. Due April
11th, 2010

Is that 35mm equivalent f/8 or absolute f/8? I mean in terms of depth of
field... so an APS crop SLR would be more like f/6 or something and a
P&S more like f/4.

yes, I'm just being difficult ;-)
But it's interesting to examine what the f/8 principal really means...

The intent could almost be interpreted as putting the camera in auto
mode although there are some cases where it would choose odd settings,
the point of the f/8 'rule' is to just put the camera on a safe setting
with best sharpness and a plenty fast shutter speed so you don't have to
think about settings or worry too much about shallow focus.

Compare to the 'sunny 16' rule which starts at f/16 for optimal
sharpness on full frame. Sunny 16 would only use f/8 on a cloudy day and
the intent of sunny 16 is to calculate exposure without a light meter so
that one has you scratching your head & counting fingers before every
shot. 'Sunny 16' is kind more a rule for tripod shooting.

For FL's often used (28 - 135 ish) at ISO 100 and faster, it is quite
acceptable for handheld shots with some care to technique from 100mm or
so and higher (print size drives this more than the 'rule').

IAC, in my mind, sunny-16 is a memory aid as a reciprocity launch point
for other settings more than anything else. That said, on some trips
I've simply shot the 'blad without using a meter straight at S-16 in all
respects (and the 1/125 speed helped saturate the slides as 1/100 is not
available on those lenses...), esp. in the sunny s/w US parks.

Lore has it that the "f/8 and be there" was the direction from the photo
editor at the newspaper for green photogs. It's assumed that 1) they
normally shot hand held (and perhaps that should be a requirement of the
mandate) and 2) they often if not always shot with flash which would
help with shake. Even without flash, ISO 25 would be "Sunny-16" at f/8
and 1/100 (1/60 perhaps with those cameras and B&W film). (Or did they
X-sync at 1/25 or so...).

Finally one also gathers that most photos taken in the era of lore above
were at "normal" or wider FL for the film area. So flash or not, the
photog should get a good shot.

Another guideline is for hand held shooting; shutter speed the same as
your focal length, 1/50 sec for 50mm. So at 50mm 1/50 sec, f/8. But 1/50
sec is an extreme setting, meaning you'd have to be real careful bracing
your arms against your body & pressing the shutter gently to avoid shake
- not what you want for "decisive moment" street shooting. "F/8 & be
there" is all about *not* using extreme settings.

If used in the sunny-16 sense, then you are a comfortable two stops
faster in shutter speed - until it gets cloudy or dark, anyway.


Plus f/8 won't work for longer lenses unless it's full sun - if you had
to catch something in the shadows. So that implies something close to a
normal lens. If wide angle, f/16 would be safe.

100mm should catch detail in open shade at 1/100 - 1/125 @ f/8 handheld.

The 'decisive moment' approach is similar to 'f/8' but implies action.
'F/8 and be there' could be catching someone taking a nap if it's
interesting and worth shooting. The 'decisive moment' approach also
implies artsy fartsy where 'f/8' is really more like a reporter's style,
which could be the opposite frame of mind. The f/8 rule could definitely
include flash also... even very harsh flash under bad lighting
conditions. Or it could be a sunset... caught at the perfect time from
the perfect vantage, where you are prepared with the camera in a safe
setting. How many times do we see amazing stuff like that but don't have
the camera out or have the settings ready for some peculiar situation? I
got another roll of film for my little Nikon EM with the 45mm pancake on
it and I left it in the car glovebox so that's going to be my 'f/8 and
be there' strategy.

Boy, do I like to make things complicated or what? g

Troll baiting?


Thanks for keeping the SI running Bowser!

Indeed. Here, here!


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Alan Browne wrote:
Paul Furman wrote:

IAC, in my mind, sunny-16 is a memory aid as a reciprocity launch point for other settings more than anything else.

Right, it's not saying to use f/16, just giving a base point to count
from. I didn't even know what exactly it meant till I looked it up
today. The second part of sunny 16 is the shutter speed equal to the
ISO. f/16, 1/100 sec, ISO 100.

The EM film body has a M90 setting for if the battery dies, it'll still
shoot at a fixed 1/90th sec. I never had a camera without a meter but
that should work out to f/16 in the sun for ISO 90 film. So with my ISO
200 film, I'd have to set f/22 in full sun.


Boy, do I like to make things complicated or what? g

Troll baiting?

'Initiating a spirited discussion.'
It only becomes trolling when putting out crap that one doesn't even
believe or knows to be false ;-) I assume 'Bruce' will comment on this
one like the 50mm mandate so, I'm also trying to head off any
misunderstandings about the assignment. I think it really should be f/8
DOF as 35mm equivalent, I wasn't able to google up the correct numbers
easily though I think it's important to use the same DOF that the saying
was intended for FF.

And I am surprised how complicated such a simple idea can be. And it's
ironic that the intent is to not worry about technical details g. As
always the mandate is just 'rulz' though - meant to be broken as long as
one understands what's being broken.

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:24:13 -0800, Paul Furman
wrote:

Alan Browne wrote:
Paul Furman wrote:

IAC, in my mind, sunny-16 is a memory aid as a reciprocity launch point for other settings more than anything else.

Right, it's not saying to use f/16, just giving a base point to count
from. I didn't even know what exactly it meant till I looked it up
today. The second part of sunny 16 is the shutter speed equal to the
ISO. f/16, 1/100 sec, ISO 100.

The EM film body has a M90 setting for if the battery dies, it'll still
shoot at a fixed 1/90th sec. I never had a camera without a meter but
that should work out to f/16 in the sun for ISO 90 film. So with my ISO
200 film, I'd have to set f/22 in full sun.


Boy, do I like to make things complicated or what? g

Troll baiting?

'Initiating a spirited discussion.'
It only becomes trolling when putting out crap that one doesn't even
believe or knows to be false ;-) I assume 'Bruce' will comment on this
one like the 50mm mandate so, I'm also trying to head off any
misunderstandings about the assignment. I think it really should be f/8
DOF as 35mm equivalent, I wasn't able to google up the correct numbers
easily though I think it's important to use the same DOF that the saying
was intended for FF.

And I am surprised how complicated such a simple idea can be. And it's
ironic that the intent is to not worry about technical details g. As
always the mandate is just 'rulz' though - meant to be broken as long as
one understands what's being broken.

I'm going to set the f/stop at f/8 and shoot. That's it. No
computations. Photography, for me, is an enjoyable hobby and not
something that should be too complicated. The real test is whether or
not the results are interesting and pleasing to the eye. Mine and
yours, if you agree with me, but no sweat if you don't.



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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida