A Photography forum. PhotoBanter.com

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PhotoBanter.com forum » Photo Equipment » 35mm Photo Equipment
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:38 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
Savageduck[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 16,487
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice

On 2010-01-01 17:17:42 -0800, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010010117015150073-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2010-01-01 16:41:55 -0800, "Bill Graham" said:


"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...

"Peter" wrote in message
...
"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...

"Peter" wrote in message
...


Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think
attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

--
Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how
to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about
their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my
head, but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco
taxes that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't
just the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's
business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my
lungs with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack
whether your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do
with the liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the
people, does it?


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you
want to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



--
Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you
could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care
whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of
surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet.
Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are
greater when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see
and hear. And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of
health insurance, so you don't have to pay anything to fix me,
buddy.....I pay for my own repair. But this is typical of you liberals.
first, you make a law that steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay
for someone else's health insurance, than you use that as an excuse to
make laws that govern how well I take care of my self so I don't incur
an expense to YOU.....Give me a break! First, just leave my money
alone, and let me take care of myself with it, and then leave my
lifestyle alone, so I can break my own head if I want to. If you can't
see that there is a difference between DUI laws and helmet and seat
belt laws, then there is no way that we can have any sort of rational
discussion on this subject.

You know, there is another reason than money why I am opposed to the
Obama health plan....there is a philosophical difference between people
paying for their own health care and letting the government (taxpayers)
pay for it. If you are paying your own way, then your lifestyle will
(and should) affect your premiums, and the insurance companies will
charge you more for endangering your life and health.But when the
government just insures everyone automatically, then there is no
individual responsibility, and people will drive, eat, drink, and live
generally like there's no tomorrow. Good health care is expensive, and
that's the way it ought to be. By costing you money, it insures that
you will fully realize the cost of not taking good care of yourself.
It's the same old argument....Socialism takes away individual
responsibility, and this also takes away your freedom to do what you
want to do, and pay your own way. I have to pay $1450 a month for three
people, and this is one of the reasons why I no longer ride a
motorcycle, and no longer smoke tobacco. I didn't need any laws to
convince me of this.....It was my own choice.


You no longer smoke tobacco!!

Then why even bitch about what a pack might cost you? Thinking of
slipping back into the ranks of the puffers?


--
Regards,

Savageduck


Surely you're not serious? Do you think that we should all only take
care of ourselves, and not pay any attention to the constitutionality
of our laws. How about a law that takes all of Bill Gates' money away
from him and distributes it to the rest of us? We would all vote for
it, (except Bill Gates) because we would all gain from it. That's what
the US Constitution is for.....To protect the minority from the tyranny
of the majority. That's why we don't live in a Democracy, but rather in
a Constitutional Republic. If they can control smoking by simply taxing
the hell out of a pack of cigs, then they can control anything I might
like to do by taxing the hell out of it.....And pretty soon they
will....Tell me, Sduck, what is it you like to do?


First, I don't and never have smoked. I enjoy fine dining a few times a
month and fit that into my budget.
I enjoy an occasional glass of good (not outrageously expensive) wine.
There is certainly tax on that, and Der Guvernator has seen fit to
increase the tax on that, but I deal with that rationally.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #22  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:40 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
David J. Littleboy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,618
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice


"Gary Theilsen" wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter"
wrote:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.


You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the
episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE
person
has ever died from second-hand smoke?


That's simply quite wrong. The amount of excess morbidity and mortality due
to second hand smoke is small, but definately not zero. The worst victims
are spouses and children of smokers. (I think that the problem of paying for
the medical care of smokers is serious enough that second hand smoke issue
isn't worth worrying about, though.)

It's a well documented problem. You could read about it and learn if you
wanted instead of taking an entertainment show at face value.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan


  #23  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
Ray Fischer
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,136
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice

Gary Theilsen wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter"
wrote:



If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.


You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the
episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person
has ever died from second-hand smoke?


Smirk. That sound a lot like the claims of robacco companies who
insist that there's no evidence proving that tobacco causes cancer.
Or the classic "guns don't kill people ...".

--
Ray Fischer


  #24  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:49 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
Ray Fischer
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,136
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice

Bill Graham wrote:
weg9 says: And so what would prevent me from living like there's no
tomorrow for N years, and then, when I am getting old and sick, just
applying for the government's health plan where some poor insurance company
is forced to insure me, and then going into the hospital for some serious
late stage health care? Look.....It's very simple. I have been living and
working in this country ever since I was 18 years old. I have always
maintained a full coverage health plan,


Graham has already stated that he enjoys considerable benefits from
Medicare. That means that he does NOT maintain a full coverage health
plan. He uses the government's health care plan.

and devoted a part of my income to
this end. Now, after working for over 40 years, I am retired, and still
paying into an excellent health plan,


Which is only a small supplement to your government-run health plan.

and my government wants to tax the
hell out of me so that they can insure everybody's health.


The rightard makes up a fiction to whine about.

These are the
people who, when I was paying for my health care and driving a VW bug, were


Ad hominem.
I do not, (repeat) DO NOT believe in distribution of wealth.


You prefer to keep it all for yourself.

--
Ray Fischer


  #25  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:49 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
Bill Graham
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,294
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice


"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010010117333643658-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2010-01-01 17:17:30 -0800, Gary Theilsen said:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter"
wrote:



If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.


You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the
episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE
person
has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased
and
badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking
any
factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users,
nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever
possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off
in
exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and
exploit
a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an
entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now
using
that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics
for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much
money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop
smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible
that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever
could.

Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks'
paranoid
nonsense and stupidity.


So, second hand smoke isn't going to kill me. I'll buy that.

Now tell me how second hand smoke isn't going to make me choke & cough, my
eyes water, my clothes stink, and any other unpleasantness non-smokers
would have to endure so those addicted to a corporate drug can indulge
themselves.

--
Regards,

Savageduck


weg9 says: If you really believe its a drug, then why are you happy
letting your government deal in it? Either make a law against it, or believe
what I believe.....That everyone should be allowed access to any drug they
want anytime they want it. (Including prescription drugs)

  #26  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:53 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
George Kerby
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,798
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice




On 1/1/10 5:46 PM, in article , "Ray
Fischer" wrote:

Bill Graham wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message


Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I should
conduct my family life. How many of these "family value" preachers turn
out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think attempted pick
ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a picture, but multiple
pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to photography.)


weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how to
live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....


And yet it is the rightards who insist upon imposing their "mrality"
upon everyone.

How about their
helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head,
are quick to make laws governing it.


Who pays for the roads? Who pays to support a brain-damaged idiot?
If you want to ride without a helment you're free to do so on your own
roads.

And their tobacco taxes that run the
price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10?


Graham wants to leech off of society without paying anything.

Why should people be forced to breathe the poisonous stench of
cigarette smoke and put up with countless cigarette butts?
It costs people money and smokers should pay the bill.

No, it isn't just the religious right
that sticks its nose into other people's business.......


It's you hypocritical rightards who think that you have the right to
screw other people without paying the costs.


I'm not generally a typo-cop, but, FishRot-Head, you are either still drunk
after New Year's, or you are so friggin angry with your veins bulging that
you are chancing a coronary. Calm, boy! Down!

  #27  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:55 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
Peter[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,078
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice

"Gary Theilsen" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter"
wrote:



If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.


You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the
episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE
person
has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased
and
badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking any
factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users,
nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever
possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off in
exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and exploit
a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an
entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now using
that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics
for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much
money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop
smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible
that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever
could.

Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks'
paranoid
nonsense and stupidity.



Exactly in what way was the research flawed?


--
Peter

  #28  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:56 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
Peter[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,078
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice

"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...

"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010010117333643658-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2010-01-01 17:17:30 -0800, Gary Theilsen
said:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter"

wrote:



If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my
lungs
with your second hand smoke.

You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the
episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE
person
has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased
and
badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking
any
factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users,
nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever
possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off
in
exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and
exploit
a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an
entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now
using
that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation
tactics
for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much
money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop
smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible
that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever
could.

Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks'
paranoid
nonsense and stupidity.


So, second hand smoke isn't going to kill me. I'll buy that.

Now tell me how second hand smoke isn't going to make me choke & cough,
my eyes water, my clothes stink, and any other unpleasantness non-smokers
would have to endure so those addicted to a corporate drug can indulge
themselves.

--
Regards,

Savageduck


weg9 says: If you really believe its a drug, then why are you happy
letting your government deal in it? Either make a law against it, or
believe what I believe.....That everyone should be allowed access to any
drug they want anytime they want it. (Including prescription drugs)



Do you drink alcohol?

--
Peter

  #29  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:59 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
George Kerby
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4,798
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice




On 1/1/10 7:43 PM, in article , "Ray
Fischer" wrote:

Gary Theilsen wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter"
wrote:



If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs
with your second hand smoke.


You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the
episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person
has ever died from second-hand smoke?


Smirk. That sound a lot like the claims of robacco companies who
insist that there's no evidence proving that tobacco causes cancer.
Or the classic "guns don't kill people ...".


Again, Fish-Head, you have become irrelevant and your condition is indicated
by your typing.

See a doc, STAT!

  #30  
Old January 2nd 10, 02:59 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,alt.photography
Peter[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,078
Default Wiki info may be incomplete, anonymous cowardice

"Bill Graham" wrote in message
...



Surely you're not serious? Do you think that we should all only take care
of ourselves, and not pay any attention to the constitutionality of our
laws. How about a law that takes all of Bill Gates' money away from him
and distributes it to the rest of us? We would all vote for it, (except
Bill Gates) because we would all gain from it. That's what the US
Constitution is for.....To protect the minority from the tyranny of the
majority. That's why we don't live in a Democracy, but rather in a
Constitutional Republic. If they can control smoking by simply taxing the
hell out of a pack of cigs, then they can control anything I might like to
do by taxing the hell out of it.....And pretty soon they will....Tell me,
Sduck, what is it you like to do?



they is us.

--
Peter

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Have incomplete Zeutschel CL2 microfiche reader; need info on missingparts Skyscraper System Administrator Other Photographic Equipment 0 August 24th 04 03:49 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PhotoBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.