Nikon vs Canon and the whole dSLR thing

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:33:20 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:

[the mentally defeatured SMS:]
Yes that's an accurate equation. Personally while I understand Canon's
approach, I think that they're missing out by not having a product
that directly goes up against the D40/D40x.
. . .
[DJT:]
It's not just price - I wanted a minimum weight system, and the D40 saved
over 100g compared to the D80.

Does anyone think that if Canon produces such a camera to go up
against the D40/D40x, that SMS will then bash it as he has long been
doing with the D40/D40x, urging people far and wide to avoid at all
costs the similarly 'defeatured' Canon? IDTS

Daniel Silevitch wrote:


Both in price and in features, you can reasonably write

D40(x) 400D D80 40D D300 5D

(with the exception of lack of live-view on the 5D, though presumably
the 5D II or whatever will have that).

Just because you can write it like that, doesn't make it
even close to right.
For example, the D300 has vs the Canon 5d:

Weather sealed body.
More AF points
100% viewfinder.
Switchable viewfinder grid lines.
6/8 fps vs 3
Much larger/better LCD
Inbuilt CLS flash system controller (plus a pop-up flash)

The 5d has a 35mm sensor - which in some conditions might be
a benefit and sometimes not - but it costs about $1k more.
So, it lacks more than "live-view". You can't compare image
quality yet - you haven't seen what it can do.

Add the D300 features to the 5d, and it's better in most
aspects than a 1DIII, so good luck if you think that's what
you're going to get with a 5d Mk II for $3k.

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
Annika1980 wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:43 pm, nospam wrote:
the d300 has many advantages over the 40d, such as live view that can
autofocus, for example.
The 40D has at least one huge advantage over the D300.
You can buy a 40D today.
The D300 is currently vaporware.

Has Nikon ever failed to produce, on time, a camera that
has been announced?

No, they manufactured some on time, but in the case of the
D200, and the 18-200VR, they trickled out delivery at such a
slow rate that people sat on "wait lists" for months. Much
the same with the Canon 1DIII, though perhaps for different
reasons.
There never seemed to be a short supply of D80/40/40x since
then.

"frederick" wrote in message
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Daniel Silevitch wrote:

For example, the D300 has vs the Canon 5d:

100% viewfinder.

What do you mean by this please?

John Ortt wrote:
"frederick" wrote in message
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Daniel Silevitch wrote:

For example, the D300 has vs the Canon 5d:

100% viewfinder.

What do you mean by this please?

You see the full image in the viewfinder, not 95% of it. Some viewfinders
crop.

David

frederick wrote:

No, they manufactured some on time, but in the case of the D200, and the
18-200VR, they trickled out delivery at such a slow rate that people sat
on "wait lists" for months. Much the same with the Canon 1DIII, though
perhaps for different reasons.

The demand for the D200 was overwhelming. Every professional Nikon
photographer I know was lined up to buy one, and I'm sure the situation
was the same across the globe. Plus the D200 appealed to a lot of
amateurs as well. A lot of pros passed on the D100, preferring to stick
with the D70 until Nikon came out with something better than the D100.
Not sure what Nikon could have done differently. Their production
capacity is limited, and there would be no point in delaying the release
until they built up a huge inventory.

I think that the demand for the 18-200VR lens caught them by surprise.
Maybe they were like some posters on this newsgroup that believe that
few people buy anything other than the kit lens. Or maybe they wanted to
create a shortage situation to keep the prices up. Look what happened to
Apple when they built far more iPhones than the market wanted at $600,
and had to do a 33% price cut soon after the product was released.

frederick wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
Annika1980 wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:43 pm, nospam wrote:
the d300 has many advantages over the 40d, such as live view that can
autofocus, for example.
The 40D has at least one huge advantage over the D300.
You can buy a 40D today.
The D300 is currently vaporware.
Has Nikon ever failed to produce, on time, a camera
that
has been announced?

No, they manufactured some on time, but in the case of
the D200, and the 18-200VR, they trickled out delivery
at such a slow rate that people sat on "wait lists" for
months. Much the same with the Canon 1DIII, though
perhaps for different reasons.
There never seemed to be a short supply of D80/40/40x
since then.

So you knew you were lying when you made the "vaporware"
statement...

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

(Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
frederick wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
Annika1980 wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:43 pm, nospam wrote:
the d300 has many advantages over the 40d, such as live view that can
autofocus, for example.
The 40D has at least one huge advantage over the D300.
You can buy a 40D today.
The D300 is currently vaporware.
Has Nikon ever failed to produce, on time, a camera
that
has been announced?

No, they manufactured some on time, but in the case of
the D200, and the 18-200VR, they trickled out delivery
at such a slow rate that people sat on "wait lists" for
months. Much the same with the Canon 1DIII, though
perhaps for different reasons.
There never seemed to be a short supply of D80/40/40x
since then.

So you knew you were lying when you made the "vaporware"
statement...

Opps. Apologies to fredrick, as that should be directed
at Annika1980 instead.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

"David J Taylor"
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John Ortt wrote:
"frederick" wrote in message
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Daniel Silevitch wrote:

For example, the D300 has vs the Canon 5d:

100% viewfinder.

What do you mean by this please?

You see the full image in the viewfinder, not 95% of it. Some viewfinders
crop.

I know this (eg Canon Ixus etc )but are you saying the 5D crops the
image!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If so I am absolutely amazed from a professional product.

In article , SMS
wrote:

The demand for the D200 was overwhelming. Every professional Nikon
photographer I know was lined up to buy one, and I'm sure the situation
was the same across the globe. Plus the D200 appealed to a lot of
amateurs as well. A lot of pros passed on the D100, preferring to stick
with the D70 until Nikon came out with something better than the D100.

d100 came out *before* the d70 did. furthermore, pros would have
bought a d1h/d1x, not a d70.

Maybe they were like some posters on this newsgroup that believe that
few people buy anything other than the kit lens.

do you have evidence to the contrary or are you talking out your butt
again?

Or maybe they wanted to
create a shortage situation to keep the prices up. Look what happened to
Apple when they built far more iPhones than the market wanted at $600,
and had to do a 33% price cut soon after the product was released.

unless you work for apple, you don't know how many they made and
remained unsold, and if you did know you would not be able to comment
on it.