What's up with Nikon

"gsum" wrote in
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Nikon have a 3 year upgrade period and when they release a product
it is right first time

What does this have to do with announcing a product six months in advance?

- unlike the D60 which lasted a mere 7 months
before it had to be upgraded to bring it into line with the D100. Now
we have the 20D which is only a slight improvement on the 10D.

If you had actually *used* the 20D, you wouldn't have said this.

If the 20D had 10 or 12 mp

....it would have cost $4,500 or more, instead of $1,500.

I might have been tempted to switch to Canon
but at 8mp the 20D appears to be a big mistake.

For who, exactly?

Who's going to buy it?

Someone who wants, oh, 90, 95% of the feature set of the 1d MkII at a
fraction of the cost.

Certainly not many D60, 10D or D100 owners.

You left out a good reason why this claim would be true.

I'm waiting for a
D2X or D200 - can't afford Canon's upgrade path.

Right, right - but you *can* afford to pay three times as much for another
camera body. Got it.

"gsum" wrote in message
...
Nikon have a 3 year upgrade period and when they release a product
it is right first time - unlike the D60 which lasted a mere 7 months
before
it had to be upgraded to bring it into line with the D100. Now we have the
20D which is only a slight improvement on the 10D. If the 20D
had 10 or 12 mp I might have been tempted to switch to Canon
but at 8mp the 20D appears to be a big mistake. Who's going to
buy it? Certainly not many D60, 10D or D100 owners. I'm waiting for a
D2X or D200 - can't afford Canon's upgrade path.

Graham

20D is not in the same price as D2X. Perhaps you mean 1D MK II? The sensor
improvement is not Nikon's own but Sony's. Canon possibly believes they have
an upper hand on the dSLR sensor development. Otherwise, they can simply buy
the Sony chips just like other SLR manufacturers and their own digicam
lines.

"gsum" wrote in message
...
Nikon have a 3 year upgrade period and when they release a product
it is right first time - unlike the D60 which lasted a mere 7 months
before
it had to be upgraded to bring it into line with the D100. Now we have the
20D which is only a slight improvement on the 10D. If the 20D
had 10 or 12 mp I might have been tempted to switch to Canon
but at 8mp the 20D appears to be a big mistake. Who's going to
buy it? Certainly not many D60, 10D or D100 owners. I'm waiting for a
D2X or D200 - can't afford Canon's upgrade path.

Graham

20D is not in the same price as D2X. Perhaps you mean 1D MK II? The sensor
improvement is not Nikon's own but Sony's. Canon possibly believes they have
an upper hand on the dSLR sensor development. Otherwise, they can simply buy
the Sony chips just like other SLR manufacturers and their own digicam
lines.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
4...
"gsum" wrote in
:

Nikon have a 3 year upgrade period and when they release a product
it is right first time

What does this have to do with announcing a product six months in advance?

The implication of the original poster's statement is that Nikon have
nothing
to offer at the moment so they are hyping a product that will not appear
for a long time. The original statement is factually incorrect, by the way.
The D70 and D100 were announced about two months before they
became available.


- unlike the D60 which lasted a mere 7 months
before it had to be upgraded to bring it into line with the D100. Now
we have the 20D which is only a slight improvement on the 10D.

If you had actually *used* the 20D, you wouldn't have said this.


I'm not knocking the quality of the 10D or 20D, just sttaing that the
Canon upgrade path is extremely expensive relative to Nikon's.


If the 20D had 10 or 12 mp

...it would have cost $4,500 or more, instead of $1,500.

I might have been tempted to switch to Canon
but at 8mp the 20D appears to be a big mistake.

For who, exactly?


Canon


Who's going to buy it?

Someone who wants, oh, 90, 95% of the feature set of the 1d MkII at a
fraction of the cost.

Certainly not many D60, 10D or D100 owners.

You left out a good reason why this claim would be true.


It's only 8mp - 2mp more than the D60, 10D and D100, all of which are
fine cameras within the 6mp limitations.


I'm waiting for a
D2X or D200 - can't afford Canon's upgrade path.

Right, right - but you *can* afford to pay three times as much for another
camera body. Got it.


??????? So following the D30, D60, 10D and 20D upgrade path is
cheaper than the D100, D200 path!!!!

Graham

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
4...
"gsum" wrote in
:

Nikon have a 3 year upgrade period and when they release a product
it is right first time

What does this have to do with announcing a product six months in advance?

The implication of the original poster's statement is that Nikon have
nothing
to offer at the moment so they are hyping a product that will not appear
for a long time. The original statement is factually incorrect, by the way.
The D70 and D100 were announced about two months before they
became available.


- unlike the D60 which lasted a mere 7 months
before it had to be upgraded to bring it into line with the D100. Now
we have the 20D which is only a slight improvement on the 10D.

If you had actually *used* the 20D, you wouldn't have said this.


I'm not knocking the quality of the 10D or 20D, just sttaing that the
Canon upgrade path is extremely expensive relative to Nikon's.


If the 20D had 10 or 12 mp

...it would have cost $4,500 or more, instead of $1,500.

I might have been tempted to switch to Canon
but at 8mp the 20D appears to be a big mistake.

For who, exactly?


Canon


Who's going to buy it?

Someone who wants, oh, 90, 95% of the feature set of the 1d MkII at a
fraction of the cost.

Certainly not many D60, 10D or D100 owners.

You left out a good reason why this claim would be true.


It's only 8mp - 2mp more than the D60, 10D and D100, all of which are
fine cameras within the 6mp limitations.


I'm waiting for a
D2X or D200 - can't afford Canon's upgrade path.

Right, right - but you *can* afford to pay three times as much for another
camera body. Got it.


??????? So following the D30, D60, 10D and 20D upgrade path is
cheaper than the D100, D200 path!!!!

Graham

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
4...
"gsum" wrote in
:

Nikon have a 3 year upgrade period and when they release a product
it is right first time

What does this have to do with announcing a product six months in advance?

The implication of the original poster's statement is that Nikon have
nothing
to offer at the moment so they are hyping a product that will not appear
for a long time. The original statement is factually incorrect, by the way.
The D70 and D100 were announced about two months before they
became available.


- unlike the D60 which lasted a mere 7 months
before it had to be upgraded to bring it into line with the D100. Now
we have the 20D which is only a slight improvement on the 10D.

If you had actually *used* the 20D, you wouldn't have said this.


I'm not knocking the quality of the 10D or 20D, just sttaing that the
Canon upgrade path is extremely expensive relative to Nikon's.


If the 20D had 10 or 12 mp

...it would have cost $4,500 or more, instead of $1,500.

I might have been tempted to switch to Canon
but at 8mp the 20D appears to be a big mistake.

For who, exactly?


Canon


Who's going to buy it?

Someone who wants, oh, 90, 95% of the feature set of the 1d MkII at a
fraction of the cost.

Certainly not many D60, 10D or D100 owners.

You left out a good reason why this claim would be true.


It's only 8mp - 2mp more than the D60, 10D and D100, all of which are
fine cameras within the 6mp limitations.


I'm waiting for a
D2X or D200 - can't afford Canon's upgrade path.

Right, right - but you *can* afford to pay three times as much for another
camera body. Got it.


??????? So following the D30, D60, 10D and 20D upgrade path is
cheaper than the D100, D200 path!!!!

Graham

One good reason to pre-announce is to give potential purchasers an
opportunity to look over the proposed feature list and if something blatant,
for them, is missing, they can send a comment to the manufacturer and say
something about it.

Product development groups and focus groups are all very good at getting a
lot of the requisite features into something, but the consumer may have some
valid input that bears consideration.

I suspect the Kryptonite lock people are shaking their heads about not
getting some customer input up front.

rtt




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One good reason to pre-announce is to give potential purchasers an
opportunity to look over the proposed feature list and if something blatant,
for them, is missing, they can send a comment to the manufacturer and say
something about it.

Product development groups and focus groups are all very good at getting a
lot of the requisite features into something, but the consumer may have some
valid input that bears consideration.

I suspect the Kryptonite lock people are shaking their heads about not
getting some customer input up front.

rtt




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One good reason to pre-announce is to give potential purchasers an
opportunity to look over the proposed feature list and if something blatant,
for them, is missing, they can send a comment to the manufacturer and say
something about it.

Product development groups and focus groups are all very good at getting a
lot of the requisite features into something, but the consumer may have some
valid input that bears consideration.

I suspect the Kryptonite lock people are shaking their heads about not
getting some customer input up front.

rtt




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leo wrote:

20D is not in the same price as D2X. Perhaps you mean 1D MK II? The
sensor improvement is not Nikon's own but Sony's.

Well, we don't know that -- we know for certain that it's made in the
Sony fab, but there's nothing novel about that. It may well be a
custom Nikon design.

Andrew.