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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:35:37 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Tony Cooper wrote: I'm responding to the word *you* used. in other words, you're playing word games. Do you know how silly that makes you sound? i'm not the one arguing over word usage. that makes you the silly one I am not arguing word usage. I'm pointing out that you chose the wrong word to describe what you now claim is your point. If you had chosen the word that you now claim you meant, there would not have been any disagreement. i didn't choose the wrong word. you don't understand what's being said and you're trying to blame me for your own stupidity. If you had used "linkbait" in your original statement that started this line of argument (and it takes two to do that, you know) I wouldn't have responded. bull****. if i said linkbait rather than gets the clicks, you'd have found something else to argue about. it's all you do. you're trying to weasel out of not understanding things, as you normally do. you ain't fooling anyone. "Weaseling" is just a slang term for revisionism. That's your game. Why not, for a change, just be honest and say "i meant 'linkbait', not just 'clicks'. Sorry to have erred."? linkbait generates clicks. why don't *you* say that *you* erred in not understanding the topic. You should have tried writing in English. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:06:21 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Does "nobody" mention GE and tax avoidance or not? Or, is it just here in a photography group where GE isn't mentioned? if you want to discuss tax avoidance, then ge is on topic. however, the the topic is not tax avoidance, it's apple-bashing. Nope. it's Apple's tax avoidance. More to the point it's the extraordinary statement made by Tim Cook. what extraordinary statement? About wanting to pay more tax. he wants tax reform so that it's fair, which may result in more tax. Aah yes. Now I have found it, not some journalists paraphrase of what Tim Cook said: http://www.forbes.com/sites/conniegu...e-testimony/2/ or http://tinyurl.com/pyqrcvf "It is in this spirit that we recommend a dramatic simplification of the corporate tax code. This reform should be revenue neutral, eliminate all corporate tax expenditures, lower corporate income tax rates and implement a reasonable tax on foreign earnings that allows the free flow of capital back to the U.S. We make this recommendation with our eyes wide open, realizing this would likely increase Apple’s U.S. taxes. But we strongly believe such comprehensive reform would be fair to all taxpayers, would keep America globally competitive and would promote U.S. economic growth." But he also said: "Our foreign subsidiaries hold 70% of our cash because of the rapid growth of our international business. We use these earnings to fund our foreign operations, such as spending billions of dollars to acquire new equipment to make Apple products, and to finance construction of Apple retail stores around the world. Under the current U.S. corporate tax system, it would be very expensive to repatriate that cash. Unfortunately, the tax code has not kept up with the digital age. The tax system handicaps American corporations in relation to our foreign competitors who don’t have such constraints on the free flow of capital." In other words, 'we have kept 70% of our profits overseas to avoid the US taxman'. I don't blame Apple for doing that, and there is nothing illegal about doing it, but that is what has upset people who think Apple is a pure bred US company through and through and don't realise the consequences of it's activities now being global in extent. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , PeterN
wrote: it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole purpose of offshoring money. doing that without a valid business purpose is also known as fraudulent tax evasion. You obviously don't understand the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. Hint: one is legal. if you think that apple or any other company is engaged in fraudulent tax evasion, by all means file a lawsuit. people much smarter than you'll ever be do not consider what apple has not done to be illegal. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , PeterN
wrote: Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system. Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom 50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game. The notion of a flat tax in inherently unfair to lower income people. a flat tax is as fair as it gets. the more you make the more you pay. it's also simple. a tax return can be done in a minute or two, versus needing to hire an accountant or tax preparer, which poor people can't afford either. Wallow in your ignorance. will you say the same to the other peter, or everyone else who advocates tax reform? doubt it. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , PeterN
wrote: And he obviously didn't read the link that would back up our statement. i've read plenty of links about tax reform. like everything, there are advantages and disadvantages to various ways. the point is that a flat tax is much better than what exits now, but northing is perfect. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: If you had used "linkbait" in your original statement that started this line of argument (and it takes two to do that, you know) I wouldn't have responded. bull****. if i said linkbait rather than gets the clicks, you'd have found something else to argue about. it's all you do. you're trying to weasel out of not understanding things, as you normally do. you ain't fooling anyone. "Weaseling" is just a slang term for revisionism. That's your game. Why not, for a change, just be honest and say "i meant 'linkbait', not just 'clicks'. Sorry to have erred."? linkbait generates clicks. If that's your position, then the posting of a link to a photograph is "linkbait" because it generates a click. you clearly don't understand what linkbait is and you're digging yourself a deeper hole. Of course I understand what "linkbait" is. not based on anything you've written. If you had used that term I would have known exactly what you meant. But you didn't. You made a mistake. Now you're adding to your mistake in covering it up and implying that only linkbait generates clicks. linkbait gets the clicks. it's two ways to say the same thing. the fact that you think they're different is proof you *don't* understand what it is. tl;dr you're wrong. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa corporation, if not the most. That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair share here either. And you didn't even answer the question. it's not next to zero and i did. 2% is next to zero when you compare it to the 35% they should be paying in the US. You'll have to remind me of your answer to the question as you appear to have written it in invisible ink. But why should they be paying tax in the US? They didn't make their products in the US. They didn't make their profits in the US. They haven't moved their profits to the US. As for the 2%, Ireland is free to set whatever tax rate they like. exactly the point. most of apple's sales are *outside* the usa. http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt...en%20Shot%2020 13-01-23%20at%205.09.22%20PM.png |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
Eric Stevens wrote:
2% is next to zero when you compare it to the 35% they should be paying in the US. You'll have to remind me of your answer to the question as you appear to have written it in invisible ink. But why should they be paying tax in the US? Do they not make any profits in the US? They didn't make their products in the US. There are no Apple factories in the US? They didn't make their profits in the US. What, none of them? They haven't moved their profits to the US. As for the 2%, Ireland is free to set whatever tax rate they like. Well there's the thing, Ireland are not free to to give state aid to companies, it's against the law. -- sid |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEOisn't wearing jeans here!!
On 10/30/2015 11:34 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole purpose of offshoring money. doing that without a valid business purpose is also known as fraudulent tax evasion. You obviously don't understand the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. Hint: one is legal. if you think that apple or any other company is engaged in fraudulent tax evasion, by all means file a lawsuit. people much smarter than you'll ever be do not consider what apple has not done to be illegal. And just where did I accuse Apple of fraudulent activity. I accused you of no knowing the difference between tax avoidance,(legal,) and tax evasion,(legal.) -- PeterN |
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