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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: I'm responding to the word *you* used. in other words, you're playing word games. Do you know how silly that makes you sound? i'm not the one arguing over word usage. that makes you the silly one I am not arguing word usage. I'm pointing out that you chose the wrong word to describe what you now claim is your point. If you had chosen the word that you now claim you meant, there would not have been any disagreement. i didn't choose the wrong word. you don't understand what's being said and you're trying to blame me for your own stupidity. If you had used "linkbait" in your original statement that started this line of argument (and it takes two to do that, you know) I wouldn't have responded. bull****. if i said linkbait rather than gets the clicks, you'd have found something else to argue about. it's all you do. you're trying to weasel out of not understanding things, as you normally do. you ain't fooling anyone. "Weaseling" is just a slang term for revisionism. That's your game. Why not, for a change, just be honest and say "i meant 'linkbait', not just 'clicks'. Sorry to have erred."? linkbait generates clicks. why don't *you* say that *you* erred in not understanding the topic. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
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In article , sid wrote: if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a moron would go that route. Only a moron would have got this far in an unnecessary explanation after misunderstanding the point of the post he was replying to. i did not misunderstand anything. Yes you did. It has nothing to do with total amounts of money paid to the tax man and all to do with the percentage of your profits that you pay to the tax man. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa corporation, if not the most. That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair share here either. And you didn't even answer the question. it's not next to zero and i did. 2% is next to zero when you compare it to the 35% they should be paying in the US. You'll have to remind me of your answer to the question as you appear to have written it in invisible ink. by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show. Why does how Google behave have anything to do with what Apple do. It's that two wrong things thing again isn't it? because you're singling out apple and giving a free pass to everyone else. I didn't bring Apple to this discussion at all, it was you, idiot. apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory there. Well that's fine then isn't it. it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole purpose of offshoring money. Yes, of course it is. -- sid |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , sid
wrote: Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa corporation, if not the most. That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair share here either. And you didn't even answer the question. it's not next to zero and i did. 2% is next to zero when you compare it to the 35% they should be paying in the US. You'll have to remind me of your answer to the question as you appear to have written it in invisible ink. they don't pay 2% tax. by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show. Why does how Google behave have anything to do with what Apple do. It's that two wrong things thing again isn't it? because you're singling out apple and giving a free pass to everyone else. I didn't bring Apple to this discussion at all, it was you, idiot. nope. the thread started with apple, by rich the troll. yet another thing you get wrong. apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory there. Well that's fine then isn't it. it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole purpose of offshoring money. Yes, of course it is. it is, yes. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: If you had used "linkbait" in your original statement that started this line of argument (and it takes two to do that, you know) I wouldn't have responded. bull****. if i said linkbait rather than gets the clicks, you'd have found something else to argue about. it's all you do. you're trying to weasel out of not understanding things, as you normally do. you ain't fooling anyone. "Weaseling" is just a slang term for revisionism. That's your game. Why not, for a change, just be honest and say "i meant 'linkbait', not just 'clicks'. Sorry to have erred."? linkbait generates clicks. If that's your position, then the posting of a link to a photograph is "linkbait" because it generates a click. you clearly don't understand what linkbait is and you're digging yourself a deeper hole. Just admit that you made a mistake and used "clicks" instead of "linkbait". It won't hurt. i'm not the one who made a mistake. you did, and you *still* refuse to acknowledge it, even after several explanations. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEOisn't wearing jeans here!!
On 10/29/2015 11:51 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , sid wrote: if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a moron would go that route. Only a moron would have got this far in an unnecessary explanation after misunderstanding the point of the post he was replying to. i did not misunderstand anything. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa corporation, if not the most. That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair share here either. And you didn't even answer the question. it's not next to zero and i did. by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show. Why does how Google behave have anything to do with what Apple do. It's that two wrong things thing again isn't it? because you're singling out apple and giving a free pass to everyone else. apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory there. Well that's fine then isn't it. it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole purpose of offshoring money. doing that without a valid business purpose is also known as fraudulent tax evasion. You obviously don't understand the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. Hint: one is legal. -- PeterN |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEOisn't wearing jeans here!!
On 10/29/2015 11:51 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system. Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom 50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game. The notion of a flat tax in inherently unfair to lower income people. a flat tax is as fair as it gets. the more you make the more you pay. it's also simple. a tax return can be done in a minute or two, versus needing to hire an accountant or tax preparer, which poor people can't afford either. Wallow in your ignorance. -- PeterN |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEOisn't wearing jeans here!!
On 10/30/2015 12:29 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:51:28 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system. Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom 50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game. The notion of a flat tax in inherently unfair to lower income people. a flat tax is as fair as it gets. the more you make the more you pay. One more thing that you evidently don't understand. A flat tax rate is the most regressive tax plan possible without other conditions. Most of the income earned by the lower income group goes to the basics of food, clothing and shelter. Add a flat rate tax to their outgo, and they live in poverty. The higher income people spend far less of their income percentage-wise on the basics of food, clothing, and shelter. That leaves them with a great deal of disposable income. That's the regressive and unfair aspect of a flat tax rate. Other conditions can be included, but you haven't stated that this would be necessary. Stick to what you know. This is quite obviously a subject you don't know. And he obviously didn't read the link that would back up our statement. -- PeterN |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEOisn't wearing jeans here!!
On 10/30/2015 10:57 AM, PAS wrote:
"PeterN" wrote in message ... On 10/29/2015 10:24 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 10/28/2015 3:40 PM, sid wrote: nospam wrote: In article , RichA wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from Apple? the only dickhead is you. Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is? that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic anti-apple trolls. not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right. even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money. that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires. If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of money they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same rate as all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base. Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system. Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom 50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game. The notion of a flat tax in inherently unfair to lower income people. For references look the publication, Statistics Of Income. https://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats-SOI-Bulletins Then tell us how much of a flat tax can be paid, after lower income people pay for their absolute necessities. You and I have differed for years on political, economic and religious matters. I leave the reading and interpretation to your good faith interpretation. If you want to carry this further, I will be in your neighborhood in a few weeks. We can talk then. I don't think it's unfair to expect every citizen to pay income taxes. What is unfair is that some who don't pay any tax still receive tax credits. How can that be justified? I will not discuss this further online. It's too far OT. I have a friend who makes you look like a left wing liberal. We plan to go to th Aquarium after my eyes and legs get better. -- PeterN |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:06:22 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory there. Well that's fine then isn't it. it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole purpose of offshoring money. Apple uses lotsa shell companies including: http://thehill.com/policy/technology...s-apple-of-usi ng-shell-companies-to-dodge-taxes or http://tinyurl.com/myab32h ... and this one will interest no spam http://tinyurl.com/myab32h all that says is that they're accused of using a shell company. "accused"? What's wrong with owning a shell company? It's not illegal. apple used to have a factory in ireland. that's not a shell company. See http://www.foxbusiness.com/governmen...egy-explained/ or http://tinyurl.com/kvyuhp4 however, apple does use shell companies to maintain secrecy on future product development, but that's a very, very different matter. people notice when apple buys stuff. people don't notice when sam's research llc buys stuff. only after the fact do people figure out that sam's llc was really apple. Sam's LLC is not a shell company either. But there probably are shell companies between Apple and Sam's. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:54:06 +0000, sid wrote:
nospam wrote: In article , sid wrote: if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a moron would go that route. Only a moron would have got this far in an unnecessary explanation after misunderstanding the point of the post he was replying to. i did not misunderstand anything. Yes you did. It has nothing to do with total amounts of money paid to the tax man and all to do with the percentage of your profits that you pay to the tax man. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa corporation, if not the most. That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair share here either. And you didn't even answer the question. it's not next to zero and i did. 2% is next to zero when you compare it to the 35% they should be paying in the US. You'll have to remind me of your answer to the question as you appear to have written it in invisible ink. But why should they be paying tax in the US? They didn't make their products in the US. They didn't make their profits in the US. They haven't moved their profits to the US. As for the 2%, Ireland is free to set whatever tax rate they like. by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show. Why does how Google behave have anything to do with what Apple do. It's that two wrong things thing again isn't it? because you're singling out apple and giving a free pass to everyone else. I didn't bring Apple to this discussion at all, it was you, idiot. apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory there. Well that's fine then isn't it. it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole purpose of offshoring money. Yes, of course it is. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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