Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!

In article , sid
wrote:

if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various
deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a
moron would go that route.

Only a moron would have got this far in an unnecessary explanation after
misunderstanding the point of the post he was replying to.

i did not misunderstand anything.

Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the
Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay
net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you?

apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they
are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa
corporation, if not the most.

That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair
share here either. And you didn't even answer the question.

it's not next to zero and i did.

by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt
ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion
Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in
2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell
company, almost double the total from three years before, filings
show.

Why does how Google behave have anything to do with what Apple do. It's that
two wrong things thing again isn't it?

because you're singling out apple and giving a free pass to everyone
else.

apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory
there.

Well that's fine then isn't it.

it's rather different than opening up a shell company for the sole
purpose of offshoring money.

In article , PeterN
wrote:


Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic
policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's
easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much
harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that
perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system.

Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat
tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom
50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them
still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the
patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game.

The notion of a flat tax in inherently unfair to lower income people.

a flat tax is as fair as it gets. the more you make the more you pay.

it's also simple. a tax return can be done in a minute or two, versus
needing to hire an accountant or tax preparer, which poor people can't
afford either.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Does "nobody" mention GE and tax avoidance or not? Or, is it just
here in a photography group where GE isn't mentioned?

if you want to discuss tax avoidance, then ge is on topic.

however, the the topic is not tax avoidance, it's apple-bashing.

Typical nospam misdirection. The subject has been Apple's tax
avoidance. Even those who "bash" Apple - and I don't - have to have
something to bash them about, so the topic has to include that.

they're not avoiding anything. they pay what they owe.

You mention "clicks" as if that means something. It doesn't.

it does. you don't get to dismiss things because it refutes what you've
said.

When a
reader of this group clicks on a link it doesn't result in any benefit
to the person who posted that link. Either you don't understand this,
or you deliberately post comments that you know are ridiculous
assertions.

whoosh.

In article , PAS
wrote:

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the
tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the
money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just
not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

Yeah, Warren Buffett claimed the same thing. Thing is, he could have
volunteered any time to pay more taxes, but he didn't, and neither
did Apple.

why would anyone voluntarily pay more taxes than they actually owe?

Well, a person like Warren Buffet who has made a point of saying that
his tax rate is too low, lower than his secretary's (who makes a
six-figure income), should shut up and put up if he thinks he should pay
more. It's his choice. The US government has aken in record income
year after year. For those who complain that our taxes aren't high
enough, let them pay more - there is a provision when they file their
returns to do so. I have a few friends who say we should pay more taxes
to our government. But they take every possible deduction they can to
minimize their tax burden, they just want to see others pay more.

you make my point.

nobody pays more than they have to, whether it's you, your friends,
warren, apple, microsoft or google.

the tax laws need to change, but that will never happen because there
are way too many people who have a vested interest in keeping things
the same.

In article , PAS
wrote:

Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic
policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's
easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much
harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that
perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system.

Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat
tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom
50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them
still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the
patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game.

agreed.

however, that will never happen because way too many people have a
vested interest in keeping tax laws complicated, including tax
preparers, accountants and lawyers.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Clicks mean nothing to the person in this group who posts a link. If
I post a link, and 10 readers click on that link, there is no benefit
to me at all.

you clearly don't understand what linkbait is, and as usual, playing
word games to twist things into what i did not say.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Fat chance, though. It's just lip-service.

for apple, it's not just lip service.

Has Apple done anything to increase the rate of tax they pay?

If not, it remains lip-service.

Definition of lip-service: an avowal of advocacy, adherence, or
allegiance expressed in words but not backed by deeds

it takes quite a bit more than apple asking to change the tax code for
the tax code to change.

meanwhile, you don't see any other companies pushing for changes, do
you? nope.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic
policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's
easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much
harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that
perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system.

Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat
tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom
50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them
still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the
patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game.

The notion of a flat tax in inherently unfair to lower income people.

a flat tax is as fair as it gets. the more you make the more you pay.

One more thing that you evidently don't understand. A flat tax rate
is the most regressive tax plan possible without other conditions.

nonsense. it's much better than what exists now.

and why don't you go bash the other peter, who was the first person to
bring it up. you won't because all you do is bash me.

Most of the income earned by the lower income group goes to the basics
of food, clothing and shelter. Add a flat rate tax to their outgo,
and they live in poverty.

so have an exemption for the lowest income group. big deal. that
doesn't invalidate the concept.

The higher income people spend far less of
their income percentage-wise on the basics of food, clothing, and
shelter. That leaves them with a great deal of disposable income.

higher income people have more money than lower income. that should not
be a surprise to anyone.

higher income people will also spend more on food, clothing and shelter
than lower income people, often quite a bit more, and likely end up
with less disposable income.

learning how to budget is important regardless of income level.

That's the regressive and unfair aspect of a flat tax rate.

nope. it's quite the opposite. the more you make the more tax you pay.

Other conditions can be included, but you haven't stated that this
would be necessary.

you're once again assuming things.

i don't have to spell out the full details in every single post.

Stick to what you know. This is quite obviously a subject you don't
know.

why don't you do the same.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Definition of lip-service: an avowal of advocacy, adherence, or
allegiance expressed in words but not backed by deeds

it takes quite a bit more than apple asking to change the tax code for
the tax code to change.

Right. And Mr Cook understands that. He can claim he advocates it,
but he knows that it makes him sound like a good guy to his acolytes,
but it doesn't mean jack-**** in the real world. It's lip-service.

you're all talk. you can pretend it's nothing more than an empty claim,
but as usual, you have zero evidence to back that up. you're just
spewing nonsense.

meanwhile, you don't see any other companies pushing for changes, do
you? nope.

The result of making a PR announcement and the result of doing nothing
have the same result: nothing.

it's not a pr announcement. he actually gave a proposal, which is much
more than you've done.

he wants the tax code completely overhauled because it's a convoluted
mess. it's 7500+ pages long and nobody, not even you, understands all
of it.

How many lobbyists has he funded to get changes made?

you tell me. you claim to know everything.

hint: it's 0.

and since you brought it up, lobbying is yet another thing that needs
to end. it's one of the main reasons, if not the biggest reason, that
the system is as corrupt as it is.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Clicks mean nothing to the person in this group who posts a link. If
I post a link, and 10 readers click on that link, there is no benefit
to me at all.

you clearly don't understand what linkbait is, and as usual, playing
word games to twist things into what i did not say.

You are not fooling anyone by snipping to twist and playing
revisionist.

good thing that's not what i'm doing, you lying sack of ****.

and you're not fooling anyone by pretending you know everything either.

You did not say anything about "linkbait" until this post. You said
"because mentioning apple gets the clicks." You are trying to revise
what you said and introduce a different term.

that's what linkbait is. it gets the clicks.

you once again demonstrate your ignorance and intent on arguing at
every turn.

"Linkbait" is entirely different.

nope.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/link_bait
2 (Internet marketing) Provocative headlines designed specifically
to persuade people to click or share by using loaded terminology
(e.g. incredible, secret, shocking, unbelievable), posing provocative
questions, or tying themselves in to hot topics.

Synonyms[edit]
€ clickbait

I'm not playing word games.

yes you most certainly are, as you always do.

I'm responding to the word *you* used.

in other words, you're playing word games.

usually you don't contradict yourself in the same line (split up for
the response), but this time you did.

this may come to you as a big surprise, but there can be more than one
word for something.

you really are an ignorant argumentative ****head.