Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!

"PeterN" wrote in message
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On 10/28/2015 3:40 PM, sid wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article ,
RichA wrote:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL

I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from
Apple?

the only dickhead is you.

Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first
place
or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming
how
fair and just his object of adulation is?

that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic
anti-apple trolls.

not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing
taxes
is *expected* and *encouraged*.

Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy.

numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including
google, yahoo, cisco and amazon.

It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right.

even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as
possible.

Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's
that.
Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to
spend on
tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable.

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the
tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just
not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of
money
they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same
rate as
all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract
exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base.


Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic
policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's
easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much
harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that
perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system.

Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat
tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom
50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them
still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the
patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game.

nospam wrote:

In article , sid
wrote:


No, really, Tim a really nice bloke and he only wants to do what's right.

the only correct thing you've said all year.

You never snip context to alter meaning, do you? On the other hand I guess
you could have got completely the wrong end of the stick, again.

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sid

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:00:03 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

The answer is because the author is writing about GE and not other
companies.

the linked article did not mention ge.

try again.

My error...I copied, but failed to paste, this;

http://theweek.com/articles/486055/w...tric-pay-taxes

yet nobody mentions that.

What do you mean "nobody"? Don't you read a newspaper, watch
television news, or read news online?

i stay current. what you clearly don't understand is that mentioning
apple gets the clicks. mentioning ge doesn't. that's why you'll hear
about apple and factories in china but never dell or sony, which use
the very same factories.

I just trying to work with what *you* write.

no you're not. you're trying to find a way to bash. you are incapable
of having a normal discussion.

Does "nobody" mention GE and tax avoidance or not? Or, is it just
here in a photography group where GE isn't mentioned?

if you want to discuss tax avoidance, then ge is on topic.

however, the the topic is not tax avoidance, it's apple-bashing.

Nope. it's Apple's tax avoidance. More to the point it's the
extraordinary statement made by Tim Cook.

Is it your contention (and I'm trying to keep a straight face when
writing this) that the only reason GE is not mentioned in this
newsgroup is that nobody would click through to a link about GE?
Or, is it because nobody *here* gives ****-all attention to GE as a
photography-related company?

ge doesn't get the clicks. there is no linkbait with ge.

I fully understand why Apple is mentioned. Most of us here use some
product made by Apple in our photography pursuits whether it be a Mac,
an iPhone, or an iPad.

that's not why apple gets mentioned and you know it.

There are a GE digital cameras.

crappy ones.

Maybe you
have one.

more of your bashing and it is of course, completely wrong.

Probably this one:

http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/GE-1...0058919?utm_so
urce=googleps&utm_medium=shopping%2Bsearch&utm_cam paign=google%2Bproduct%20sea
rch&gslfah&gclid=Cj0KEQjw5MGxBRDiuZm2icXX2-sBEiQA619bq1SENXkxaDMc6pv-GkNT7B4w3VRL3AUpE7vRZH6tJHAaAhIf8P8HAQ

learn to trim urls. anything including and beyond the ?utm is tracking
information and not needed.

all that's needed is this:
http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/GE-12.4-MP-Digital-Camera/0000000058919

and it's junk.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

nospam wrote:


the only dickhead is you.

Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first
place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post
exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is?

now that you joined the thread, the biggest dickhead would be you, and
by a mile.

Ooooh, touchy!

truth hurts.

It's unusual for you to admit to feeling vulnerable, well done!

not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing
taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*.

Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy.

nonsense.

It's not nonsense at all, it just depends which side of the fence you're
on.

no it doesn't.

Yes it does and no amount of you denying it will make opposing business
attitudes to your narrow minded one go away. Deal with it.

do you take tax deductions or do you pay the most you could possibly
pay? if it's the former, you're morally bankrupt and greedy.

I haven't registered my business in a foreign tax haven, no, if that's what
your asking.

numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including
google, yahoo, cisco and amazon.

It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right.

what two wrongs?

Don't pretend to be dimmer than you already are.

it ain't me who is dim.

the tax laws are what they are and companies abiding by them is not
wrong. that's how it works.

Well duh.

at least you agree that apple and the others are not doing anything
wrong.

I challenge you to show where I said they were doing anything illegal, oh
that's right, I didn't. This is another example of you making something up
and basing your argument and your insults on that.

that pretty much throws your entire rant out the window and makes you
look like a total dickhead.

Except I haven't said any such thing in the first place, dickhead!

if you think what the various companies are doing is illegal, then go
contact the relevant authorities. good luck on that one nd be prepared
to be laughed at.

Why are you making things up?

i'm not making anything up.

Yes you are.

as i said, if you think *any* of these companies are engaging in tax
fraud or any other illegal activity, get off your duff and contact the
appropriate authorities.

but you won't.

That's because I haven't said that I do, dickhead!

something that you are also ignoring is that apple *wants* to change
the tax laws, resulting in them paying *more* tax. do you hear the
other companies saying that? nope. once again, apple gets bashed for
trying to fix the problems.

I haven't ignored anything, Apples lip service means jack ****.

you're ignoring everything that shows you to be wrong.

Wrong about what?

even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as
possible.

Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's
that.

nonsense. nobody can be that stupid.

Do you get told what rate of tax you have to pay on whatever it is you
tell the taxman you have earned?

they tell the rate, but not the *amount*.

Well that's the point you buffoon, if the tax havens government only says
pay 2% then that's what you do. But *you* can't do that can you?

if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various
deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a
moron would go that route.

Only a moron would have got this far in an unnecessary explanation after
misunderstanding the point of the post he was replying to.


Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the
Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay
net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you?

apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they
are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa
corporation, if not the most.

That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair
share here either. And you didn't even answer the question.

by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt
ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion
Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in
2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell
company, almost double the total from three years before, filings
show.

Why does how Google behave have anything to do with what Apple do. It's that
two wrong things thing again isn't it?

apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory
there.

Well that's fine then isn't it.

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sid

On 10/29/2015 10:24 AM, PAS wrote:
"PeterN" wrote in message
...
On 10/28/2015 3:40 PM, sid wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article ,
RichA wrote:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL


I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from
Apple?

the only dickhead is you.

Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first
place
or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how
fair and just his object of adulation is?

that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic
anti-apple trolls.

not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes
is *expected* and *encouraged*.

Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy.

numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including
google, yahoo, cisco and amazon.

It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right.

even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as
possible.

Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that.
Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to
spend on
tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable.

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of
money
they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same
rate as
all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract
exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base.


Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic
policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's
easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much
harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that
perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system.

Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat
tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom
50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them
still get tax credits. As Joe Biden said, paying your taxes "is the
patriotic thing to do". Everyone should have some skin in the game.

The notion of a flat tax in inherently unfair to lower income people.
For references look the publication, Statistics Of Income.

https://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats-SOI-Bulletins

Then tell us how much of a flat tax can be paid, after lower income
people pay for their absolute necessities. You and I have differed for
years on political, economic and religious matters. I leave the reading
and interpretation to your good faith interpretation. If you want to
carry this further, I will be in your neighborhood in a few weeks. We
can talk then.

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PeterN

On 10/29/2015 4:35 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:29:18 -0400, nospam
wrote:

snip


you can't please everyone.

Certainly not nospam.


You certainly can please nospam. swallow his bait.

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PeterN

On 2015-10-30 00:50:34 +0000, PeterN said:

On 10/29/2015 4:35 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:29:18 -0400, nospam
wrote:

snip


you can't please everyone.

Certainly not nospam.

You certainly can please nospam. swallow his bait.

Except, the baited hook was set by RichA, and nospam has already bitten.


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Regards,

Savageduck

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:24:46 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

Tax laws are also used for social engineering. It's time for a flat
tax, no deductions. Everyone pays the same rate, including the bottom
50% of earners who pay virtually no income tax at all and some of them
still get tax credits.


'Flat Tax' is not the same as 'Flat Tax Rate'.

I suspect you mean the latter.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the
tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the
money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just
not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

Yeah, Warren Buffett claimed the same thing. Thing is, he could have
volunteered any time to pay more taxes, but he didn't, and neither
did Apple.

why would anyone voluntarily pay more taxes than they actually owe?

Well, a person like Warren Buffet who has made a point of saying that
his tax rate is too low, lower than his secretary's (who makes a
six-figure income), should shut up and put up if he thinks he should pay
more. It's his choice. The US government has aken in record income
year after year. For those who complain that our taxes aren't high
enough, let them pay more - there is a provision when they file their
returns to do so. I have a few friends who say we should pay more taxes
to our government. But they take every possible deduction they can to
minimize their tax burden, they just want to see others pay more.

do you pay extra? didn't think so.

People who say their corporation should pay more in taxes - like
Buffet and (allegedly) Cook - would be doing their shareholders a
disservice if they did so.

there is no allegedly. tim said that.

However, if they were truly serious about it, they could use their
personal wealth to hire lobbyists to promote change in the tax laws.

until a day ago, you didn't even know that was their position.

Fat chance, though. It's just lip-service.

for apple, it's not just lip service.

you are once again, talking out your ass.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Does "nobody" mention GE and tax avoidance or not? Or, is it just
here in a photography group where GE isn't mentioned?

if you want to discuss tax avoidance, then ge is on topic.

however, the the topic is not tax avoidance, it's apple-bashing.

Nope. it's Apple's tax avoidance. More to the point it's the
extraordinary statement made by Tim Cook.

what extraordinary statement?