Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!

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No, really, Tim a really nice bloke and he only wants to do what's right.

the only correct thing you've said all year.

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http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL

I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from
Apple?

the only dickhead is you.

Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first
place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post
exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is?

now that you joined the thread, the biggest dickhead would be you, and
by a mile.

Ooooh, touchy!

truth hurts.

that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic
anti-apple trolls.

not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes
is *expected* and *encouraged*.

Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy.

nonsense.

It's not nonsense at all, it just depends which side of the fence you're on.

no it doesn't.

do you take tax deductions or do you pay the most you could possibly
pay? if it's the former, you're morally bankrupt and greedy.

numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including
google, yahoo, cisco and amazon.

It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right.

what two wrongs?

Don't pretend to be dimmer than you already are.

it ain't me who is dim.

the tax laws are what they are and companies abiding by them is not
wrong. that's how it works.

Well duh.

at least you agree that apple and the others are not doing anything
wrong.

that pretty much throws your entire rant out the window and makes you
look like a total dickhead.

if you think what the various companies are doing is illegal, then go
contact the relevant authorities. good luck on that one nd be prepared
to be laughed at.

Why are you making things up?

i'm not making anything up.

as i said, if you think *any* of these companies are engaging in tax
fraud or any other illegal activity, get off your duff and contact the
appropriate authorities.

but you won't.

something that you are also ignoring is that apple *wants* to change
the tax laws, resulting in them paying *more* tax. do you hear the
other companies saying that? nope. once again, apple gets bashed for
trying to fix the problems.

I haven't ignored anything, Apples lip service means jack ****.

you're ignoring everything that shows you to be wrong.

even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as
possible.

Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that.

nonsense. nobody can be that stupid.

Do you get told what rate of tax you have to pay on whatever it is you tell
the taxman you have earned?

they tell the rate, but not the *amount*.

if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various
deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a
moron would go that route.

the irs does *not* tell a taxpayer how much to pay unless they're
delinquent, in which case they have far bigger problems, or if they're
stupid enough to request the irs to give them an amount to pay.

not only do taxpayers take deductions to which they are entitled, but
many of them hire an accountant who understands tax law and knows what
deductions are possible. most people don't because tax law is highly
convoluted and needs to be simplified.

Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend
on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable.

of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only
difference is the amount paid.

Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the
Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net
to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you?

apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they
are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa
corporation, if not the most.

instead of spouting like you normally do, you might consider finding
out the facts first.

by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt
ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion
Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in
2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell
company, almost double the total from three years before, filings
show.

apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory
there.

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of
money they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same
rate as all the other honest companies in the countries in which they
extract exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base.

more bull****.

No, I'm afraid it's not.

it is.

you're wrong once again.

In article , Eric Stevens
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Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend
on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable.

of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only
difference is the amount paid.

Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the
Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net
to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you?

I disagree. A company is free to organise it's business in any way it
likes, subject only to the laws which govern it's behaviour. Judge
learned hand once said

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Learned_Hand

"Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low
as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will
best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to
increase one's taxes."

yep.

he also said (and from same link):

Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible.
Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes
any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced
exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of
morals is mere cant.

In article , Eric Stevens
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To
think they'd like to pay more, though, is the thinking of a demented
fool.

call tim cook and tell him that he's a demented fool.

Better still, tell Apple's shareholders.

that would be even more entertaining.

apple shareholders do not think he is a fool and anyone trying to make
that claim would be laughed at.

In article ,
RichA wrote:

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

Yeah, Warren Buffett claimed the same thing. Thing is, he could have
volunteered any time to pay more taxes, but he didn't, and neither did Apple.

why would anyone voluntarily pay more taxes than they actually owe?

do you pay extra? didn't think so.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:42:09 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

To
think they'd like to pay more, though, is the thinking of a demented
fool.

call tim cook and tell him that he's a demented fool.

Better still, tell Apple's shareholders.

that would be even more entertaining.

apple shareholders do not think he is a fool and anyone trying to make
that claim would be laughed at.

They might not laugh so much if he says he want's to divert more of
Apple's cash flow to the government.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:42:10 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article ,
RichA wrote:

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

Yeah, Warren Buffett claimed the same thing. Thing is, he could have
volunteered any time to pay more taxes, but he didn't, and neither did Apple.

why would anyone voluntarily pay more taxes than they actually owe?

Ask Tim Cook

do you pay extra? didn't think so.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Tony Cooper
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numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including
google, yahoo, cisco and amazon.

It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right.

This is typical nospam. Say anything that he thinks is "bashing"
Apple, and he immediately wants to know why you haven't also bashed
anyone from Google to Nabisco to your local children's day care
center.

why single out apple when plenty of other companies do the same thing?

Because normal people don't write that way unless they are presenting
a white paper on some subject where a wide view of a situation is
called for.

Just pick up a newspaper or read your news online. Why didn't the
writer of this article not mention other companies who either don't
pay taxes or pay very little?

because mentioning apple gets the clicks.

The answer is because the author is writing about GE and not other
companies.

the linked article did not mention ge.

try again.

My error...I copied, but failed to paste, this;

http://theweek.com/articles/486055/w...tric-pay-taxes

yet nobody mentions that.

apple's tax liability is not zero.

But, why are you a hypocrite and
mentioning me when you don't mention others?

i do mention others, but right now i'm responding to your posts.

No, no, no...that's not your mantra. You think that any discussion of
anything Apple that could be considered to be negative must mention
some other company in a negative way.

completely wrong. i criticize apple when appropriate.

it's just that in this newsgroup, you and others derail any thread
about apple into a nospam-bash, even when you agree with the topic.

You must be fair and apply this to all your posts.

good thing that i do.

apple has repeatedly said they want to change the existing tax laws so
that they can repatriate their assets, something which will result in
paying more tax than they currently are paying.

Lip service.

so much for you bull**** claim of not bashing apple.

It recognizes that *if* Apple would like to pay more taxes, they
can...and that they haven't.

they pay what they owe.

they also want to change the tax code so that they can repatriate the
assets at a reasonable and fair tax rate.

do you hear marissa saying she wants to change the tax laws? nope.

Ms Mayer is just being honest with you.

tim is being honest too.

Not that it's on this topic, but this is another one of your
nospamisms: using Tim's first name and Marissa's first name as if you
are an insider. You ain't fooling anyone.

i'll use their first name if i want. deal with it.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

think they'd like to pay more, though, is the thinking of a demented
fool.

call tim cook and tell him that he's a demented fool.

Better still, tell Apple's shareholders.

that would be even more entertaining.

apple shareholders do not think he is a fool and anyone trying to make
that claim would be laughed at.

They might not laugh so much if he says he want's to divert more of
Apple's cash flow to the government.

some might, but others will be happy they're repatriating their assets.

you can't please everyone.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax
laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money.
that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not
the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires.

Yeah, Warren Buffett claimed the same thing. Thing is, he could have
volunteered any time to pay more taxes, but he didn't, and neither did
Apple.

why would anyone voluntarily pay more taxes than they actually owe?

Ask Tim Cook

why tim? he's not paying more than he owes, nor does apple.