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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
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RichA wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from Apple? the only dickhead is you. that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic anti-apple trolls. not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money. that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
nospam wrote:
In article , RichA wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from Apple? the only dickhead is you. Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is? that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic anti-apple trolls. not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right. even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money. that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires. If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of money they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same rate as all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base. -- sid |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , sid
wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from Apple? the only dickhead is you. Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is? now that you joined the thread, the biggest dickhead would be you, and by a mile. that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic anti-apple trolls. not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy. nonsense. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right. what two wrongs? the tax laws are what they are and companies abiding by them is not wrong. that's how it works. if you think what the various companies are doing is illegal, then go contact the relevant authorities. good luck on that one nd be prepared to be laughed at. something that you are also ignoring is that apple *wants* to change the tax laws, resulting in them paying *more* tax. do you hear the other companies saying that? nope. once again, apple gets bashed for trying to fix the problems. even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that. nonsense. nobody can be that stupid. the irs does *not* tell a taxpayer how much to pay unless they're delinquent, in which case they have far bigger problems, or if they're stupid enough to request the irs to give them an amount to pay. not only do taxpayers take deductions to which they are entitled, but many of them hire an accountant who understands tax law and knows what deductions are possible. most people don't because tax law is highly convoluted and needs to be simplified. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only difference is the amount paid. unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money. that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires. If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of money they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same rate as all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base. more bull****. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
nospam wrote:
In article , sid wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from Apple? the only dickhead is you. Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is? now that you joined the thread, the biggest dickhead would be you, and by a mile. Ooooh, touchy! that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic anti-apple trolls. not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy. nonsense. It's not nonsense at all, it just depends which side of the fence you're on. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right. what two wrongs? Don't pretend to be dimmer than you already are. the tax laws are what they are and companies abiding by them is not wrong. that's how it works. Well duh. if you think what the various companies are doing is illegal, then go contact the relevant authorities. good luck on that one nd be prepared to be laughed at. Why are you making things up? something that you are also ignoring is that apple *wants* to change the tax laws, resulting in them paying *more* tax. do you hear the other companies saying that? nope. once again, apple gets bashed for trying to fix the problems. I haven't ignored anything, Apples lip service means jack ****. even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that. nonsense. nobody can be that stupid. Do you get told what rate of tax you have to pay on whatever it is you tell the taxman you have earned? the irs does *not* tell a taxpayer how much to pay unless they're delinquent, in which case they have far bigger problems, or if they're stupid enough to request the irs to give them an amount to pay. not only do taxpayers take deductions to which they are entitled, but many of them hire an accountant who understands tax law and knows what deductions are possible. most people don't because tax law is highly convoluted and needs to be simplified. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only difference is the amount paid. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money. that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires. If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of money they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same rate as all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base. more bull****. No, I'm afraid it's not. -- sid |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:51:42 +0000, sid wrote:
nospam wrote: In article , sid wrote: --- snip --- the irs does *not* tell a taxpayer how much to pay unless they're delinquent, in which case they have far bigger problems, or if they're stupid enough to request the irs to give them an amount to pay. not only do taxpayers take deductions to which they are entitled, but many of them hire an accountant who understands tax law and knows what deductions are possible. most people don't because tax law is highly convoluted and needs to be simplified. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only difference is the amount paid. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? I disagree. A company is free to organise it's business in any way it likes, subject only to the laws which govern it's behaviour. Judge learned hand once said https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Learned_Hand "Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes." -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only difference is the amount paid. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? I disagree. A company is free to organise it's business in any way it likes, subject only to the laws which govern it's behaviour. Judge learned hand once said https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Learned_Hand "Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes." yep. he also said (and from same link): Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of morals is mere cant. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEOisn't wearing jeans here!!
On 28/10/2015 23:28, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:51:42 +0000, sid wrote: nospam wrote: In article , sid wrote: --- snip --- the irs does *not* tell a taxpayer how much to pay unless they're delinquent, in which case they have far bigger problems, or if they're stupid enough to request the irs to give them an amount to pay. not only do taxpayers take deductions to which they are entitled, but many of them hire an accountant who understands tax law and knows what deductions are possible. most people don't because tax law is highly convoluted and needs to be simplified. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only difference is the amount paid. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? I disagree. A company is free to organise it's business in any way it likes, subject only to the laws which govern it's behaviour. Yes, of course it is. But most would agree that a US company *should* pay taxes in the US. Except, of course, those likely to profit from an offshore tax arrangement. And a few others, whose reasoning defeats me. -- Cheers, Rob |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
In article , sid
wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from Apple? the only dickhead is you. Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is? now that you joined the thread, the biggest dickhead would be you, and by a mile. Ooooh, touchy! truth hurts. that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic anti-apple trolls. not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy. nonsense. It's not nonsense at all, it just depends which side of the fence you're on. no it doesn't. do you take tax deductions or do you pay the most you could possibly pay? if it's the former, you're morally bankrupt and greedy. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right. what two wrongs? Don't pretend to be dimmer than you already are. it ain't me who is dim. the tax laws are what they are and companies abiding by them is not wrong. that's how it works. Well duh. at least you agree that apple and the others are not doing anything wrong. that pretty much throws your entire rant out the window and makes you look like a total dickhead. if you think what the various companies are doing is illegal, then go contact the relevant authorities. good luck on that one nd be prepared to be laughed at. Why are you making things up? i'm not making anything up. as i said, if you think *any* of these companies are engaging in tax fraud or any other illegal activity, get off your duff and contact the appropriate authorities. but you won't. something that you are also ignoring is that apple *wants* to change the tax laws, resulting in them paying *more* tax. do you hear the other companies saying that? nope. once again, apple gets bashed for trying to fix the problems. I haven't ignored anything, Apples lip service means jack ****. you're ignoring everything that shows you to be wrong. even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that. nonsense. nobody can be that stupid. Do you get told what rate of tax you have to pay on whatever it is you tell the taxman you have earned? they tell the rate, but not the *amount*. if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a moron would go that route. the irs does *not* tell a taxpayer how much to pay unless they're delinquent, in which case they have far bigger problems, or if they're stupid enough to request the irs to give them an amount to pay. not only do taxpayers take deductions to which they are entitled, but many of them hire an accountant who understands tax law and knows what deductions are possible. most people don't because tax law is highly convoluted and needs to be simplified. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. of course it's comparable and there's nothing scammy about it. the only difference is the amount paid. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa corporation, if not the most. instead of spouting like you normally do, you might consider finding out the facts first. by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show. apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory there. unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money. that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires. If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of money they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same rate as all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base. more bull****. No, I'm afraid it's not. it is. you're wrong once again. |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEO isn't wearing jeans here!!
nospam wrote:
the only dickhead is you. Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is? now that you joined the thread, the biggest dickhead would be you, and by a mile. Ooooh, touchy! truth hurts. It's unusual for you to admit to feeling vulnerable, well done! not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy. nonsense. It's not nonsense at all, it just depends which side of the fence you're on. no it doesn't. Yes it does and no amount of you denying it will make opposing business attitudes to your narrow minded one go away. Deal with it. do you take tax deductions or do you pay the most you could possibly pay? if it's the former, you're morally bankrupt and greedy. I haven't registered my business in a foreign tax haven, no, if that's what your asking. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right. what two wrongs? Don't pretend to be dimmer than you already are. it ain't me who is dim. the tax laws are what they are and companies abiding by them is not wrong. that's how it works. Well duh. at least you agree that apple and the others are not doing anything wrong. I challenge you to show where I said they were doing anything illegal, oh that's right, I didn't. This is another example of you making something up and basing your argument and your insults on that. that pretty much throws your entire rant out the window and makes you look like a total dickhead. Except I haven't said any such thing in the first place, dickhead! if you think what the various companies are doing is illegal, then go contact the relevant authorities. good luck on that one nd be prepared to be laughed at. Why are you making things up? i'm not making anything up. Yes you are. as i said, if you think *any* of these companies are engaging in tax fraud or any other illegal activity, get off your duff and contact the appropriate authorities. but you won't. That's because I haven't said that I do, dickhead! something that you are also ignoring is that apple *wants* to change the tax laws, resulting in them paying *more* tax. do you hear the other companies saying that? nope. once again, apple gets bashed for trying to fix the problems. I haven't ignored anything, Apples lip service means jack ****. you're ignoring everything that shows you to be wrong. Wrong about what? even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that. nonsense. nobody can be that stupid. Do you get told what rate of tax you have to pay on whatever it is you tell the taxman you have earned? they tell the rate, but not the *amount*. Well that's the point you buffoon, if the tax havens government only says pay 2% then that's what you do. But *you* can't do that can you? if you request a total from the irs, they won't include the various deductions, so the total will be higher than what it should be. only a moron would go that route. Only a moron would have got this far in an unnecessary explanation after misunderstanding the point of the post he was replying to. Yes it is scammy, moving your hq to an island on the other side of the Atlantic to take advantage of a dodgy governments tax loop holes and pay net to zero tax, yes that's scammy. You can't do that can you? apple does not pay net zero tax. you're wrong yet again. in fact, they are among the companies who pay the *most* taxes of any usa corporation, if not the most. That should be "next to zero." I'm not in USA, they don't pay their fair share here either. And you didn't even answer the question. by the way, google did what you accuse apple of doing: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...revenues-shelt ered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion Google Inc. avoided about $2 billion in worldwide income taxes in 2011 by shifting $9.8 billion in revenues into a Bermuda shell company, almost double the total from three years before, filings show. Why does how Google behave have anything to do with what Apple do. It's that two wrong things thing again isn't it? apple has long had a presence in ireland, including having a factory there. Well that's fine then isn't it. -- sid |
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Apple may owe Ireland 10 YEARS of back-taxes. Notice dickhead CEOisn't wearing jeans here!!
On 10/28/2015 3:40 PM, sid wrote:
nospam wrote: In article , RichA wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/30/tech...reland/?iid=EL I guess the rebel, anti-corporate facade is pretty much gone from Apple? the only dickhead is you. Who is the bigger dickhead? The one that posts the troll in the first place or the one that follows up to the troll with another post exclaiming how fair and just his object of adulation is? that link is six months old and it's yet another one of your moronic anti-apple trolls. not only is what they're doing *completely legal*, but minimizing taxes is *expected* and *encouraged*. Only by the morally bankrupt and greedy. numerous other companies do essentially the same thing, including google, yahoo, cisco and amazon. It's amazing how often you seem to think two wrongs make a right. even ordinary taxpayers, including yourself, pays as little tax as possible. Ordinary tax payers get told how much they have to pay and that's that. Multi national corporations have unimaginable amounts of money to spend on tax dodgers to work the best scams they can. Not really comparable. unlike the other companies, however, apple wants to change the the tax laws so that they're more fair, where they can repatriate the money. that means they will pay *more* taxes than they currently are, just not the absurd amounts that the current tax law requires. If they actually gave two ****s for anything other than the amount of money they can accumulate they would already be paying taxes at the same rate as all the other honest companies in the countries in which they extract exorbitant amounts of money from their customer base. Tax laws are a judicially approved method implementing economic policy. think retirement plans, think international trade, etc. It's easy to criticize with a bumper sticker political slogan It's much harder to implement in real life. There are many loopholes that perhaps shouldn't be there, but that doesn't negate the whole system. -- PeterN |
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