GARY FONG LOVES THE 20D !

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:34:17 -0700, Annika1980
wrote:

On Jul 28, 7:29 am, smb wrote:

Besides, if more of your democrat friends get elected next time, you
won't have any money left to buy those new lenses and gadgets! :-)

Steve

Yeah, your boy, Bush, and his crooked cronies are doing a great job.
****ing idiot.

He's not my boy, but he's a sight better than any of the alternatives
that were running at the time! It's a shame that he turned out to be
not the conservative that he was elected to be.

Before throwing out the crooked crony card, be sure you first justify
the cronyism of the past democratic administration. Don't throw
those stones when you live in such a dirty glass house.

Feel good about yourself, Bush Bashing is a wonderful hobby!

Meanwhile, the economy is booming in spite of an expensive war and
record government spending... tax revenues to the governnment are way
up in spite of tax cuts "for the rich" (duh) ... There hasn't been
another terrorist attack on our soil since 2001... Unemployment is
lower than at any time during the Clinton administration... Things
aren't as bad as you think! But I'll grant you that you can always
find things to pick on regardless of who is president.

Elect Hillary or Obama or Edwards and you can guarantee your
disposable income will shrink, so buy those toys now while you can,
and thank Mr. Bush for making it possible while it lasts. But at
least we'll have universal health care, if you don't mind being on a
waiting list to see whatever government-appointed doctor can see you
in a reasonable time.

But regardless of your political views and eloqent colorful liberal
f-ing language, it's still about the images, not the camera! So get
in your SUV, go out and shoot some pictures!


Steve

smb wrote:

He's not my boy, but he's a sight better than any of the alternatives
that were running at the time! It's a shame that he turned out to be
not the conservative that he was elected to be.

Elect Hillary or Obama or Edwards and you can guarantee your
disposable income will shrink, so buy those toys now while you can,
and thank Mr. Bush for making it possible while it lasts.

Just 'cause you can't see it on your books, does not mean that the debit
column assigned to you via Bush deficit spending is not real.

Slight of hand gets the suckers every time.

Under Bush, the total US Fed deficit will have grown a staggering 50%,
or 3 Trillion dollars.

(Hint: notice how the US $ has fallen against every other currency).

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On Jul 28, 5:16 pm, Rita Ä Berkowitz ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote:
wrote:
If it made Bret happy to buy it, then leave him alone. His bills are
paid, food is on the table and all is well at home. As for using the
money for something else, such as a lens, he knew his options and made
his choice. Judging by his work with it, I say it's a damn wise
choice. You can't take money with you, so seize the day while you
can.

Hmm, what makes you think I'm bothering Bret? I realize that he's on a
tight budget and I want to see him maximize his bang for the buck factor.
Sometimes people get caught up in buying all these feel-good-snake-oil
gimmicks because they don't know any better. I like Bret's work and I know
he can do so much better if he had some real equipment to use. Just trying
to help, no harm meant.

Rita


IMHO Hell will freeze over before he ever goes the Nikon route. He's
a devoted Canon user. Bret has very good judgement and a great head
on his shoulders. He can tell a feel-good-snake-oil gimmick a mile
away. Trust me, he knows.
I know you don't mean harm Rita. Sometimes I get too defensive. Life
is too short to be serious all the time. But I'm getting better. I
let my hair down a lot more and enjoy each day as if it were my last.
Helen

"smb" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:34:17 -0700, Annika1980
wrote:

On Jul 28, 7:29 am, smb wrote:

Besides, if more of your democrat friends get elected next time, you
won't have any money left to buy those new lenses and gadgets! :-)

Steve

Yeah, your boy, Bush, and his crooked cronies are doing a great job.
****ing idiot.

He's not my boy, but he's a sight better than any of the alternatives
that were running at the time! It's a shame that he turned out to be
not the conservative that he was elected to be.

Before throwing out the crooked crony card, be sure you first justify
the cronyism of the past democratic administration. Don't throw
those stones when you live in such a dirty glass house.

Yes. They bitch about Libby, but Clinton pardoned over 140 people (some of
them really bad crooks) during his last week in the White House. At least
Bush only eliminated the jail time (and not a full pardon) and did it while
he still had over a year to serve.....Clinton never had the guts to do
that........



Feel good about yourself, Bush Bashing is a wonderful hobby!

It's all the Democrats have....They sure haven't accomplished anything else
since they took control of congress......



Meanwhile, the economy is booming in spite of an expensive war and
record government spending... tax revenues to the governnment are way
up in spite of tax cuts "for the rich" (duh) ... There hasn't been
another terrorist attack on our soil since 2001...


Haven't you heard? - There was never any terrorist threat to begin
with.....Those 3000 people who died on 9/11 were just imaginary
people.......

Unemployment is
lower than at any time during the Clinton administration... Things
aren't as bad as you think! But I'll grant you that you can always
find things to pick on regardless of who is president.

Elect Hillary or Obama or Edwards and you can guarantee your
disposable income will shrink, so buy those toys now while you can,
and thank Mr. Bush for making it possible while it lasts. But at
least we'll have universal health care, if you don't mind being on a
waiting list to see whatever government-appointed doctor can see you
in a reasonable time.

And, if you don't mind paying for someone else's health care as well as your
own.....

But regardless of your political views and eloqent colorful liberal
f-ing language, it's still about the images, not the camera! So get
in your SUV, go out and shoot some pictures!


Steve


Hear, hear! - An excellent post......

smb wrote:

Meanwhile, the economy is booming in spite of an expensive war and
record government spending... tax revenues to the governnment are way
up

Because of the record war spending.


Unemployment is
lower than at any time during the Clinton administration...

Because people stopped looking for employment and are part timing &
free-lancing, except military contractor employees.

"Alan Browne" wrote in message
...
smb wrote:

He's not my boy, but he's a sight better than any of the alternatives
that were running at the time! It's a shame that he turned out to be
not the conservative that he was elected to be.

Elect Hillary or Obama or Edwards and you can guarantee your
disposable income will shrink, so buy those toys now while you can,
and thank Mr. Bush for making it possible while it lasts.

Just 'cause you can't see it on your books, does not mean that the debit
column assigned to you via Bush deficit spending is not real.

Slight of hand gets the suckers every time.

Under Bush, the total US Fed deficit will have grown a staggering 50%, or
3 Trillion dollars.

(Hint: notice how the US $ has fallen against every other currency).


Hymmmmm.....That must be why I only paid $2.80 for gasoline the other
day.....I guess I should have gone to Europe and paid over $5.00 a
gallon......

I have been retired for 11 years now, and I am still living better than I
have ever lived before. It's like I told an anti-semetic friend I used to
know, who told me that all the money in the world was controlled by 6 Jewish
bankers....."well," I said, "They sure are doing a great job of it, because
I have never wanted for anything and I am just an average Silicone Valley
engineer. - Either they are honest and highly competent, or they are the
poorest crooks I have ever seen."

On Jul 29, 7:18 am, Rita Ä Berkowitz ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote:
Matt Ion wrote:
The idea of flash diffusion is not patented, but the individual
device design is.... so I think the Larry Thong Light Bottle is
safe.... however the name may be a bit of an issue. LOL ;-)

Not to mention, the thing looks mildly phallic. Might not go over too
well for kiddie events or model shoots.

Yeah, like walking around with a Lightspere isn't going to get you sneers
and ridicule? I can see it now. "Hey, what's that ominous looking thing?
It sure looks like a buttplug for a rhino!"

Rita

In my opinion the LS does not produce any better results than a dozen
other "attachments" that photographers have been using for years,
provided that the photographer uses the chosen device effectively (be
it tracing paper, bounce card or plastic bottle)

The secret (well it's no secret really) to good soft lighting is a
combination of large source, multi-direction and/or a mix of flash and
ambient.

Now the LS itself, although larger than many attachments, is not large
enough to provide direct "soft" light at normal working distances for
portraits etc. (for direct soft light you would need something the
size of an umbrella or softbox)

Therefore it relies on reflecting the light off walls and ceilings,
yet this can be achieved with a host of items not nearly the size of
the LS, as these "one light" setups all get their best results when
ambient light is added to the mix.

In Gary's own videos he suggests to shoot at wide apertures and he
does this for one reason only... because it will allow ambient light
to have a greater effect in softening the overall lighting and this
naturally makes the LS seem more appealing. (...OK perhaps there are
two reasons)

In Bret's most recent uploads (Family Portraits...) you can see
evidence of the flash/ambient mix with wide apertures that I am
talking about. When Mr Div's is photographed with exposures of 1/60s
f/2.8 at iso400 and 1/125s f/2.8 at iso800, the lighting results are
soft and appealing.

But look in the same thread and you will see Buster photographed with
an exposure of 1/250s f/4.0 at iso100 and this image has much more of
a "flash" look about it. This is because the ambient light effect has
been reduced buy the fast shutter speed and lower ISO.

So it doesn't matter if it's a LightSphere, LightBottle, bounce card
or tracing paper.... all are capable of achieving good results in the
right hands, using the right technique and in the right environment.
No one of these items or techniques should be ridiculed and if one
wishes to spend the coin on the more expensive ones then that is their
deal.

Having said that, I also think that no one of these items should be
raised on a pedestal as if it's some "new, never been done before, all
conquering, must have gadget", as each one is simply a variation on
something that photographers have been using effectively for years.

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On Jul 28, 5:16 pm, Rita Ä Berkowitz ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote:
wrote:
If it made Bret happy to buy it, then leave him alone. His bills are
paid, food is on the table and all is well at home. As for using the
money for something else, such as a lens, he knew his options and made
his choice. Judging by his work with it, I say it's a damn wise
choice. You can't take money with you, so seize the day while you
can.

Hmm, what makes you think I'm bothering Bret? I realize that he's on a
tight budget and I want to see him maximize his bang for the buck factor.
Sometimes people get caught up in buying all these feel-good-snake-oil
gimmicks because they don't know any better. I like Bret's work and I
know
he can do so much better if he had some real equipment to use. Just
trying
to help, no harm meant.

Rita


IMHO Hell will freeze over before he ever goes the Nikon route. He's
a devoted Canon user. Bret has very good judgement and a great head
on his shoulders. He can tell a feel-good-snake-oil gimmick a mile
away. Trust me, he knows.
I know you don't mean harm Rita. Sometimes I get too defensive. Life
is too short to be serious all the time. But I'm getting better. I
let my hair down a lot more and enjoy each day as if it were my last.
Helen

Bret could do just as well shooting Nikon gear.....But why would he? - If
you've got several thousand dollars invested in Canon glass, there is no
reason to switch.

"Paul Furman" wrote in message
. ..
smb wrote:


Unemployment is
lower than at any time during the Clinton administration...

Because people stopped looking for employment and are part timing &
free-lancing, except military contractor employees.

What a crock! - Less than 5% unemployment is because "people have stopped
looking for jobs.....?" - give me a break! If the unemployment had gone that
low under Clinton, you socialists would be up all night crowing about
it.......When are you Keneysianists ever going to learn that lower taxes =
more business = more jobs = lower unemployment + a booming economy?
As soon as Hillary and her merry men get into office, they will raise
the taxes and we will be back in the bread lines.......Everybody looks like
the Sheriff of Nottingham to her.........

William Graham wrote:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
...
smb wrote:

He's not my boy, but he's a sight better than any of the alternatives
that were running at the time! It's a shame that he turned out to be
not the conservative that he was elected to be.
Elect Hillary or Obama or Edwards and you can guarantee your
disposable income will shrink, so buy those toys now while you can,
and thank Mr. Bush for making it possible while it lasts.
Just 'cause you can't see it on your books, does not mean that the debit
column assigned to you via Bush deficit spending is not real.

Slight of hand gets the suckers every time.

Under Bush, the total US Fed deficit will have grown a staggering 50%, or
3 Trillion dollars.

(Hint: notice how the US $ has fallen against every other currency).


Hymmmmm.....That must be why I only paid $2.80 for gasoline the other
day.....I guess I should have gone to Europe and paid over $5.00 a
gallon......

Slight of hand wins. Your generation, William, is getting the gravy.
Following generations will not fare nearly as well. Read up on
demographics and the economy.