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#21
October 21st 04, 03:31 AM
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"Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:IWvdd.800891$gE.702490@pd7tw3no... "Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at working strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the same fixer for both. Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on the paper then. No. Mix TWO batches. DO NOT use one kind for both. Kodak explicitly says not to do this. You should not be using powder fixer anyway. I use the hardener for both film and paper. It does not harm anything. What I was getting at was...since I'm going to need two bottles/jugs anyway... I could just as easily use Rapid Fix exclusively for my film....and use Kodak Fixer for my paper. 
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October 21st 04, 03:32 AM
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"Tom Phillips" wrote in message ... Alan Smithee wrote: "Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at working strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the same fixer for both. Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on the paper then. Ignore the troll. And _don't_ mix up the whole bottle. Mix up (from the concentrate) only what you will need short term. Do not use the same for paper as for film, but concentrates last longer than working solutions... Also, many modern films don't require hardener, but it never hurts to add hardener to film fix and _some_ films still need it. (Tri-X, I think is one according to Kodak.) What's the difference between using Rapid Fix or Kodak Fixer (classic) on paper assuming I'm ignoring Solution B. Are the times much different?
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#23
October 21st 04, 03:32 AM
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"Tom Phillips" wrote in message ... Alan Smithee wrote: "Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at working strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the same fixer for both. Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on the paper then. Ignore the troll. And _don't_ mix up the whole bottle. Mix up (from the concentrate) only what you will need short term. Do not use the same for paper as for film, but concentrates last longer than working solutions... Also, many modern films don't require hardener, but it never hurts to add hardener to film fix and _some_ films still need it. (Tri-X, I think is one according to Kodak.) What's the difference between using Rapid Fix or Kodak Fixer (classic) on paper assuming I'm ignoring Solution B. Are the times much different?
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#24
October 21st 04, 04:23 AM
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Alan Smithee wrote:
"The Wogster" wrote in message . .. Alan Smithee wrote: "Uranium Committee" wrote in message e.com... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at working strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the same fixer for both. Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on the paper then. Many people don't bother with the hardener at all, if your careful with wet film in the darkroom, you really don't need it with modern films. Hardening does extend the wash times, it also does not work with all rapid fixers. Even 20 years ago, I didn't use a hardener, and never had a problem with damaged film because of it. I also used most chemicals one-shot style. Mix up a batch of fixer, pour whats needed into the film tank, do a roll and pitch it, a little more expensive, but knowing every roll had fresh developer and fresh fixer meant that I didn't need a stop bath, and that results would be consistant. The oldest film archive shows that this worked, even though the films are over 20 years old, no staining or problems due to exhausted chemistries. With paper, I would put half what I needed into the tray and add water to get what I needed, process say 10 sheets of paper, then pitch it and mix a new batch. W I'm trying to figure out what the ratio of Solution A to water is for small batches. Unlike developer, fixer is not affected much by air left in the bottle, so if you mix a large batch, it should keep well, in a tightly capped bottle, some people prefer glass for larger batches, as glass does not "breathe", while some plastics do. Like I said though, mix it as recommended for film strength, then mix that 1:1 for paper. Don't use fixer for paper that you have used for film..... I always had best success though, with 1 shot chemistries, no trying to remember how many rolls/sheets went through a bottle of chemistries, every batch got fresh chemistries. W
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#25
October 21st 04, 04:23 AM
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Alan Smithee wrote:
"The Wogster" wrote in message . .. Alan Smithee wrote: "Uranium Committee" wrote in message e.com... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at working strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the same fixer for both. Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on the paper then. Many people don't bother with the hardener at all, if your careful with wet film in the darkroom, you really don't need it with modern films. Hardening does extend the wash times, it also does not work with all rapid fixers. Even 20 years ago, I didn't use a hardener, and never had a problem with damaged film because of it. I also used most chemicals one-shot style. Mix up a batch of fixer, pour whats needed into the film tank, do a roll and pitch it, a little more expensive, but knowing every roll had fresh developer and fresh fixer meant that I didn't need a stop bath, and that results would be consistant. The oldest film archive shows that this worked, even though the films are over 20 years old, no staining or problems due to exhausted chemistries. With paper, I would put half what I needed into the tray and add water to get what I needed, process say 10 sheets of paper, then pitch it and mix a new batch. W I'm trying to figure out what the ratio of Solution A to water is for small batches. Unlike developer, fixer is not affected much by air left in the bottle, so if you mix a large batch, it should keep well, in a tightly capped bottle, some people prefer glass for larger batches, as glass does not "breathe", while some plastics do. Like I said though, mix it as recommended for film strength, then mix that 1:1 for paper. Don't use fixer for paper that you have used for film..... I always had best success though, with 1 shot chemistries, no trying to remember how many rolls/sheets went through a bottle of chemistries, every batch got fresh chemistries. W
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#26
October 21st 04, 05:02 AM
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Alan Smithee wrote:
: "Tom Phillips" wrote in message : ... : : : Alan Smithee wrote: : : "Uranium Committee" wrote in message : om... : "Alan Smithee" wrote in message : news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... : I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at : working : strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. : : No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used : for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. : Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the : same fixer for both. : : Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really : matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix : times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on : the : paper then. : : Ignore the troll. And _don't_ mix up the whole bottle. Mix up : (from the concentrate) only what you will need short term. : : Do not use the same for paper as for film, but concentrates : last longer than working solutions... : : Also, many modern films don't require hardener, but it never : hurts to add hardener to film fix and _some_ films still need it. : (Tri-X, I think is one according to Kodak.) : What's the difference between using Rapid Fix or Kodak Fixer (classic) on : paper assuming I'm ignoring Solution B. Are the times much different? The biggest difference in my never humble opinion is that the rapid fix comes as a liquid concentrate and the classic Kodak fix comes as a powder. With the rapid fix you also have the choice of adding or not adding the hardener. I started using the rapid fix when I started a no powder policy in my darkroom. -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you -------------------
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#27
October 21st 04, 05:02 AM
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Alan Smithee wrote:
: "Tom Phillips" wrote in message : ... : : : Alan Smithee wrote: : : "Uranium Committee" wrote in message : om... : "Alan Smithee" wrote in message : news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... : I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at : working : strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. : : No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used : for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. : Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the : same fixer for both. : : Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really : matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix : times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on : the : paper then. : : Ignore the troll. And _don't_ mix up the whole bottle. Mix up : (from the concentrate) only what you will need short term. : : Do not use the same for paper as for film, but concentrates : last longer than working solutions... : : Also, many modern films don't require hardener, but it never : hurts to add hardener to film fix and _some_ films still need it. : (Tri-X, I think is one according to Kodak.) : What's the difference between using Rapid Fix or Kodak Fixer (classic) on : paper assuming I'm ignoring Solution B. Are the times much different? The biggest difference in my never humble opinion is that the rapid fix comes as a liquid concentrate and the classic Kodak fix comes as a powder. With the rapid fix you also have the choice of adding or not adding the hardener. I started using the rapid fix when I started a no powder policy in my darkroom. -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you -------------------
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#28
October 21st 04, 05:02 AM
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Alan Smithee wrote:
: "Tom Phillips" wrote in message : ... : : : Alan Smithee wrote: : : "Uranium Committee" wrote in message : om... : "Alan Smithee" wrote in message : news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... : I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at : working : strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. : : No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used : for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. : Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the : same fixer for both. : : Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really : matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix : times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on : the : paper then. : : Ignore the troll. And _don't_ mix up the whole bottle. Mix up : (from the concentrate) only what you will need short term. : : Do not use the same for paper as for film, but concentrates : last longer than working solutions... : : Also, many modern films don't require hardener, but it never : hurts to add hardener to film fix and _some_ films still need it. : (Tri-X, I think is one according to Kodak.) : What's the difference between using Rapid Fix or Kodak Fixer (classic) on : paper assuming I'm ignoring Solution B. Are the times much different? The biggest difference in my never humble opinion is that the rapid fix comes as a liquid concentrate and the classic Kodak fix comes as a powder. With the rapid fix you also have the choice of adding or not adding the hardener. I started using the rapid fix when I started a no powder policy in my darkroom. -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you -------------------
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#29
October 21st 04, 02:54 PM
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"Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:QbFdd.782934$M95.515014@pd7tw1no...
"Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:IWvdd.800891$gE.702490@pd7tw3no... "Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at working strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the same fixer for both. Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on the paper then. No. Mix TWO batches. DO NOT use one kind for both. Kodak explicitly says not to do this. You should not be using powder fixer anyway. I use the hardener for both film and paper. It does not harm anything. What I was getting at was...since I'm going to need two bottles/jugs anyway... I could just as easily use Rapid Fix exclusively for my film....and use Kodak Fixer for my paper. Don't use Kodak powdered fixer at all, for any reason. Rapid Fixer is better all around. It has much higher capacity and works much faster.
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October 21st 04, 02:54 PM
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"Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:QbFdd.782934$M95.515014@pd7tw1no...
"Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:IWvdd.800891$gE.702490@pd7tw3no... "Uranium Committee" wrote in message om... "Alan Smithee" wrote in message news:jGkdd.795552$gE.258028@pd7tw3no... I have the rapid fix kit which makes a US gallon. If I mix it at working strength for fixing film do I just dilute it 1:1 for paper? Thx. No. Mix them separately. Don't use fixer for paper that has been used for film. Take HALF of the contents and make 1/2 gallon of film fixer. Take the other half and mix 1 gallon of paper fixer. NEVER use the same fixer for both. Use hardener in the film fixer but not the paper, or does that really matter. I wanted to try the Rapid Fix to basically speed up my film fix times. If I'm mixing two batches I might as well use regular fixer on the paper then. No. Mix TWO batches. DO NOT use one kind for both. Kodak explicitly says not to do this. You should not be using powder fixer anyway. I use the hardener for both film and paper. It does not harm anything. What I was getting at was...since I'm going to need two bottles/jugs anyway... I could just as easily use Rapid Fix exclusively for my film....and use Kodak Fixer for my paper. Don't use Kodak powdered fixer at all, for any reason. Rapid Fixer is better all around. It has much higher capacity and works much faster.
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