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a portrait - Ellen DeGeneres (link fix)
"Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010042016393821123-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-04-20 16:20:41 -0700, "Peter" said: "tony cooper" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:42:09 -0700, Savageduck wrote: The sad thing is those homosexual catholics (yes there are quite a few) who have their loving relationships denied by their faith. They more than any others have been abandoned by their church. Aren't the homosexual Baptists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Mormons, etc also abandoned by their church? The Episcopalians, more than any other denomination, are having problems here. That's the only major player that I can think of where churches have divided over the issue. In other religions it is well known that many of the ordained leaders are gay, but they are not open about it. In the Episcopalian church some of the ordained leaders are openly gay. I think that is the cause of much division. Indeed IIRC Gene Robinson recently stated that same sex acts are unnatural only for non-gays. ...and there is a split among Episcopalians due to that very issue. -- Regards, Savageduck Allow me to point out that many religious sects don't have as strong a central leadership as the Catholics, so it is easier for splinter groups to form whose particular beliefs differ from the original ones. With the Catholics, there is only one central leader in the Vatican, so deviation is much more difficult. |
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a portrait - Ellen DeGeneres (link fix)
On 2010-04-22 18:01:24 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:
"Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010042016393821123-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-04-20 16:20:41 -0700, "Peter" said: "tony cooper" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:42:09 -0700, Savageduck wrote: The sad thing is those homosexual catholics (yes there are quite a few) who have their loving relationships denied by their faith. They more than any others have been abandoned by their church. Aren't the homosexual Baptists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Mormons, etc also abandoned by their church? The Episcopalians, more than any other denomination, are having problems here. That's the only major player that I can think of where churches have divided over the issue. In other religions it is well known that many of the ordained leaders are gay, but they are not open about it. In the Episcopalian church some of the ordained leaders are openly gay. I think that is the cause of much division. Indeed IIRC Gene Robinson recently stated that same sex acts are unnatural only for non-gays. ...and there is a split among Episcopalians due to that very issue. -- Regards, Savageduck Allow me to point out that many religious sects don't have as strong a central leadership as the Catholics, so it is easier for splinter groups to form whose particular beliefs differ from the original ones. With the Catholics, there is only one central leader in the Vatican, so deviation is much more difficult. Tell that to the Archbishop of Canterbury. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 4/22/2010 9:24 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2010-04-22 18:01:24 -0700, "Bill Graham" said: "Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010042016393821123-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-04-20 16:20:41 -0700, "Peter" said: "tony cooper" wrote in message news On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:42:09 -0700, Savageduck wrote: The sad thing is those homosexual catholics (yes there are quite a few) who have their loving relationships denied by their faith. They more than any others have been abandoned by their church. Aren't the homosexual Baptists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Mormons, etc also abandoned by their church? The Episcopalians, more than any other denomination, are having problems here. That's the only major player that I can think of where churches have divided over the issue. In other religions it is well known that many of the ordained leaders are gay, but they are not open about it. In the Episcopalian church some of the ordained leaders are openly gay. I think that is the cause of much division. Indeed IIRC Gene Robinson recently stated that same sex acts are unnatural only for non-gays. ...and there is a split among Episcopalians due to that very issue. -- Regards, Savageduck Allow me to point out that many religious sects don't have as strong a central leadership as the Catholics, so it is easier for splinter groups to form whose particular beliefs differ from the original ones. With the Catholics, there is only one central leader in the Vatican, so deviation is much more difficult. Tell that to the Archbishop of Canterbury. Tell what, that the Anglican Church leadership is not as strong as that of the Roman Catholic, or that there is only one central leader of the Roman Catholics, in the Vatican. I doubt he'd find either to be a surprise. Or are you laboring under the misconception that the Anglican church is Roman Catholic? |
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On 2010-04-22 19:42:42 -0700, "J. Clarke" said:
On 4/22/2010 9:24 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2010-04-22 18:01:24 -0700, "Bill Graham" said: Allow me to point out that many religious sects don't have as strong a central leadership as the Catholics, so it is easier for splinter groups to form whose particular beliefs differ from the original ones. With the Catholics, there is only one central leader in the Vatican, so deviation is much more difficult. Tell that to the Archbishop of Canterbury. Tell what, that the Anglican Church leadership is not as strong as that of the Roman Catholic, or that there is only one central leader of the Roman Catholics, in the Vatican. I was refering to the supposed leadership role of Canterbury for the CofE. Aah! the CofE, & trans-Atlantic Episcopalians, or Catholic light. I doubt he'd find either to be a surprise. Agreed. Or are you laboring under the misconception that the Anglican church is Roman Catholic? No, I am the product of an English mother, who had what can only be described as "social" ties to the CofE, and an American Baptist father who returned from the Pacific after WWII as a confirmed atheist. As a child, my mother loosely aimed me at the church and missed. So I am well aware of the structure and differences between the Roman Catholic Church and CofE. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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