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[PICS] B&W meets the 5D
http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm
I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim |
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B&W meets the 5D
On Nov 1, 3:46 pm, JimKramer wrote:
http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim Still some very nice work Jim. Once you stop learning, they might as well seal the tomb. So keep learning. Draco |
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B&W meets the 5D
On Nov 2, 1:50 pm, Draco wrote:
On Nov 1, 3:46 pm, JimKramer wrote: http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim Still some very nice work Jim. Once you stop learning, they might as well seal the tomb. So keep learning. Draco You are far too kind good sir. :-) I've always been worried about getting sealed in too early... |
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On Nov 2, 3:08 pm, JimKramer wrote:
On Nov 2, 1:50 pm, Draco wrote: On Nov 1, 3:46 pm, JimKramer wrote: http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim Still some very nice work Jim. Once you stop learning, they might as well seal the tomb. So keep learning. Draco You are far too kind good sir. :-) I've always been worried about getting sealed in too early... Just keep shooting until the 5D feels as good in your hands as the 20D. At 3200 ISO I'm amazed at the low noise it produces. Nice work with light. Very dramatic. Helen |
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On Nov 3, 2:10 am, wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:08 pm, JimKramer wrote: On Nov 2, 1:50 pm, Draco wrote: On Nov 1, 3:46 pm, JimKramer wrote: http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim Still some very nice work Jim. Once you stop learning, they might as well seal the tomb. So keep learning. Draco You are far too kind good sir. :-) I've always been worried about getting sealed in too early... Just keep shooting until the 5D feels as good in your hands as the 20D. At 3200 ISO I'm amazed at the low noise it produces. Nice work with light. Very dramatic. Helen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - At 3200 underexposed by a stop the single toned areas had very obvious lines running horizontally along the frame (the long ways.) It was much more obvious than the 20D's high ISO issues. Go back to color and it blows the 20D away. Thus my question remains why? All in all it's a great camera for static or single shots; the AI servo auto focus is horrid for more than one shot. It can't seem to reacquire the target between frames. :-( It's a landscape camera not a machine gun. It already feels better in my hand, it's a bigger body. :-) Thanks for your comments. Jim |
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On Nov 3, 8:17 am, JimKramer wrote:
On Nov 3, 2:10 am, wrote: On Nov 2, 3:08 pm, JimKramer wrote: On Nov 2, 1:50 pm, Draco wrote: On Nov 1, 3:46 pm, JimKramer wrote: http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim Still some very nice work Jim. Once you stop learning, they might as well seal the tomb. So keep learning. Draco You are far too kind good sir. :-) I've always been worried about getting sealed in too early... Just keep shooting until the 5D feels as good in your hands as the 20D. At 3200 ISO I'm amazed at the low noise it produces. Nice work with light. Very dramatic. Helen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - At 3200 underexposed by a stop the single toned areas had very obvious lines running horizontally along the frame (the long ways.) It was much more obvious than the 20D's high ISO issues. Go back to color and it blows the 20D away. Thus my question remains why? All in all it's a great camera for static or single shots; the AI servo auto focus is horrid for more than one shot. It can't seem to reacquire the target between frames. :-( It's a landscape camera not a machine gun. It already feels better in my hand, it's a bigger body. :-) Thanks for your comments. Jim- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even with film, shooting at such a high ISO will result in grain. Why it's shown more on black and white than color......I'm not sure myself. Just a thought, but perhaps the grain is more unnoticeable in color? I've done a lot of reading on b&w with digital cameras and I understand that shooting in RAW gives one more opportunities for post- processing. I found a couple of these websites interesting. One is converting color to b&w. I'm certain you have already seen them, but in case you haven't, here they a http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Color2BW/ http://www.prime-junta.net/pont/How_...te.html?page=2 When I shoot b&w film I always use a yellow filter. Sometimes red. It was annoying that I'd lose the light ie: shutter speed. Shooting digital b&w has the option for incamera filters....which is wonderful. Helen |
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On Nov 3, 11:04 am, wrote:
On Nov 3, 8:17 am, JimKramer wrote: On Nov 3, 2:10 am, wrote: On Nov 2, 3:08 pm, JimKramer wrote: On Nov 2, 1:50 pm, Draco wrote: On Nov 1, 3:46 pm, JimKramer wrote: http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim Still some very nice work Jim. Once you stop learning, they might as well seal the tomb. So keep learning. Draco You are far too kind good sir. :-) I've always been worried about getting sealed in too early... Just keep shooting until the 5D feels as good in your hands as the 20D. At 3200 ISO I'm amazed at the low noise it produces. Nice work with light. Very dramatic. Helen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - At 3200 underexposed by a stop the single toned areas had very obvious lines running horizontally along the frame (the long ways.) It was much more obvious than the 20D's high ISO issues. Go back to color and it blows the 20D away. Thus my question remains why? All in all it's a great camera for static or single shots; the AI servo auto focus is horrid for more than one shot. It can't seem to reacquire the target between frames. :-( It's a landscape camera not a machine gun. It already feels better in my hand, it's a bigger body. :-) Thanks for your comments. Jim- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even with film, shooting at such a high ISO will result in grain. Why it's shown more on black and white than color......I'm not sure myself. Just a thought, but perhaps the grain is more unnoticeable in color? Because the color is distracting; isn't that why people shoot black and white? :-) Shooting at high ISO and underexposing shows the "defects" / "operational parameters" of the Camera. In testing, it's always important to see what happens at the extremes. Grain/noise at high ISO's I expect, what I don't like are lines that go across the frame. I've done a lot of reading on b&w with digital cameras and I understand that shooting in RAW gives one more opportunities for post- processing. I found a couple of these websites interesting. One is converting color to b&w. I'm certain you have already seen them, but in case you haven't, here they a http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Color2BW/ http://www.prime-junta.net/pont/How_...igital_Black_a... When I shoot b&w film I always use a yellow filter. Sometimes red. It was annoying that I'd lose the light ie: shutter speed. Shooting digital b&w has the option for incamera filters....which is wonderful. Helen Shooting is RAW (almost) always lets you do more with the image, but it won't let you shoot with the in-camera filters. That's a Jpeg only thing :-( Sometimes, I just want to take the picture, not worry about it later in post-processing. Then I clearly understand why so many people don't want to give up film shooting. In the link I gave, the pictures were taken with the in-camera yellow filter. Jim |
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On Nov 3, 11:44 am, JimKramer wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:04 am, wrote: On Nov 3, 8:17 am, JimKramer wrote: On Nov 3, 2:10 am, wrote: On Nov 2, 3:08 pm, JimKramer wrote: On Nov 2, 1:50 pm, Draco wrote: On Nov 1, 3:46 pm, JimKramer wrote: http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/BandW5D.htm I have to admit I'm underwhelmed, doesn't shoot like the 20D at all. One more (of many) process to learn. :-( Jim Still some very nice work Jim. Once you stop learning, they might as well seal the tomb. So keep learning. Draco You are far too kind good sir. :-) I've always been worried about getting sealed in too early... Just keep shooting until the 5D feels as good in your hands as the 20D. At 3200 ISO I'm amazed at the low noise it produces. Nice work with light. Very dramatic. Helen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - At 3200 underexposed by a stop the single toned areas had very obvious lines running horizontally along the frame (the long ways.) It was much more obvious than the 20D's high ISO issues. Go back to color and it blows the 20D away. Thus my question remains why? All in all it's a great camera for static or single shots; the AI servo auto focus is horrid for more than one shot. It can't seem to reacquire the target between frames. :-( It's a landscape camera not a machine gun. It already feels better in my hand, it's a bigger body. :-) Thanks for your comments. Jim- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even with film, shooting at such a high ISO will result in grain. Why it's shown more on black and white than color......I'm not sure myself. Just a thought, but perhaps the grain is more unnoticeable in color? Because the color is distracting; isn't that why people shoot black and white? :-) Shooting at high ISO and underexposing shows the "defects" / "operational parameters" of the Camera. In testing, it's always important to see what happens at the extremes. Grain/noise at high ISO's I expect, what I don't like are lines that go across the frame. I've done a lot of reading on b&w with digital cameras and I understand that shooting in RAW gives one more opportunities for post- processing. I found a couple of these websites interesting. One is converting color to b&w. I'm certain you have already seen them, but in case you haven't, here they a http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Color2BW/ http://www.prime-junta.net/pont/How_...igital_Black_a... When I shoot b&w film I always use a yellow filter. Sometimes red. It was annoying that I'd lose the light ie: shutter speed. Shooting digital b&w has the option for incamera filters....which is wonderful. Helen Shooting is RAW (almost) always lets you do more with the image, but it won't let you shoot with the in-camera filters. That's a Jpeg only thing :-( Sometimes, I just want to take the picture, not worry about it later in post-processing. Then I clearly understand why so many people don't want to give up film shooting. In the link I gave, the pictures were taken with the in-camera yellow filter. Jim Jim, I am convinced that a DSLR can match 35mm b&w film using the same ISO. IMHO, where b&w film is best is in large format. This is where you will get the best possible black and white results. Helen |
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"D.Quatsch" wrote in message news:2007110310135850073%presquevu@coxnet... On 2007-11-03 08:04:16 -0700, said: Even with film, shooting at such a high ISO will result in grain. Why it's shown more on black and white than color......I'm not sure myself. Just a thought, but perhaps the grain is more unnoticeable in color? color film = multiple emulsions, and the grains would not "match up"? -- Color film (after processing) does not have grain, instead it has 'dye clouds'. Each cloud represents a grain, but the clouds have soft edges centered around where the grain was. Plus, the previous poster's reason: the dye clouds would not line up. |
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