Sony; lenses so bad you'll learn the name Zeiss like it was yourown

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za


A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150
lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony
lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.



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PeterN

On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za


A

lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your
$150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The
Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.

Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in
'70-'71-'72.
Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to
$0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps.

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Regards,

Savageduck

On 7/21/2016 12:44 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:10:41 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it, unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you. Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za


A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150
lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony
lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.


I use wages-per-hour to determine the relative cost. When I earned
$1.00 per hour, I had to work for 15 minutes to earn enough to buy
something that cost 25 cents. Admission to a movie, for example.

The person who earns $12.00 an hour today has to work somewhere
between 45 minutes and an hour to earn enough to buy a ticket to a
movie.

To determine the work-hours required to buy that lens, you would use
the hourly rate of your earnings at the time you would have purchased
the $150 lens and the hourly rate you earn today.

That doesn't mean that you are paid an hourly rate today. Just take
annual income and divide it by 2,080. That's an assumption of a 40
hour week, but it's good enough for a rough comparison.


You're method is equally valid. Each has it's positives, and each has
its inaccuracies. Both illustrate the point.



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PeterN

On 7/21/2016 1:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za



A

lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your
$150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250.
The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.

Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in
'70-'71-'72.
Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to
$0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps.


That period had little effect on me. About two weeks before it hit, I
bought a diesel.


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PeterN

On 2016-07-21 18:05:26 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/21/2016 1:20 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-21 16:10:41 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za



A

lot

of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your
$150 lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250.
The Sony lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.

Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station for $0.19/gal in
'70-'71-'72.
Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the price jumped to
$0.99/gal, there was "odd-even rationing" and long lines at the pumps.


That period had little effect on me. About two weeks before it hit, I
bought a diesel.

At that time I was driving an old 1966 Chevy Impala, with a 292 cu. in.
straight six, and a three speed, shift on-the-column manual.

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Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck wrote:
Hell! I remember buying gas at our local Hess station
for $0.19/gal in '70-'71-'72.
Unfortunately that changed radically in 1973 when the
price jumped to $0.99/gal, there was "odd-even
rationing" and long lines at the pumps.

An interesting period in history, for sure. But you
touched on two very different and equal aspects of it!
The Arab oil embargo in 1973 was one thing. But the 19
cents a gallon gas was its own little niche in history.

Prior to 1960-1970 there were independent gas stations
everywhere. In many towns there'd be 3 out of 4 corners
at major intersections with a gas station. They
provided simple mechanical repairs, maybe sold a few
other things too, and they pumped gas, cleaned your
windows and checked your oil. Gasoline was the major
product.

But in the 1960's the major oil companies found a way to
monopolize retail gas sales. They did this region by
region. In 9 out of 10 regions the price from a major
brand was the same as the independents. In 1 out of 10
regions they sold gas a 1 cent below cost. It took
awhile, but they bankrupted every independent gas
station in the region. Then they switched to selling
gas, at a price that was higher than the independents
had originally been selling at, and moved the below cost
pricing to a different area. By the 1973 oil embargo
the majors had taken over almost every area of the
country.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

PeterN wrote:
On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za



A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150
lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony
lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.




An elderly eastern European immigrant years ago gave me an excellent
lesson about the cost of things.

I was newly married, and upon my return to NYC, was taken to a small
store in Manhattan to buy bedsheets and pillow cases and towels. My
uncle remarked that a sheet was now $10.-, while it was 50 cents in his
youth. The elderly lady shop owner then replied:

When the sheets were 50 cents, hardly anybody had 50 cents. Now that
they are $10.-, everybody has $10.-.

End of economics 101.

P.S. a Nathan's hot dog that used to cost a nickel, is now $1.85.

Mort Linder

On 7/21/2016 3:14 PM, Mort wrote:
PeterN wrote:
On 7/19/2016 10:05 PM, RichA wrote:
Because you SURE won't use Sony's own. And you'll go broke doing it,
unless $999 for a 50mm prime "E" lens is a reasonable price for you.
Remember the days when a Full Frame 50mm f/1.8 of good quality was
about $150.00

I'm used to f/1.4 50mm primes losing to f/1.8's, it's the nature of
optics, unless you fork over OTUS prices, it's very difficult to
correct f/1.4 to be anywhere near as sharp as f/1.8. However, they
shouldn't STILL be worse when the f/1.4 is at f/5.6 and the f/1.8 is
still at f/1.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...s-55mm-f1-8-za




A lot of use here remember the days when a hot dog cost a nickel and a
plate of vegetables at the Automat cost under a quarter. Let's do some
arithmetic. A hot dog today costs about $2.75. Now if you take your $150
lens and apply the hot dog ratio, that lens would cost $8,250. The Sony
lens for $999, is a pretty good deal by comparison.




An elderly eastern European immigrant years ago gave me an excellent
lesson about the cost of things.

I was newly married, and upon my return to NYC, was taken to a small
store in Manhattan to buy bedsheets and pillow cases and towels. My
uncle remarked that a sheet was now $10.-, while it was 50 cents in his
youth. The elderly lady shop owner then replied:

When the sheets were 50 cents, hardly anybody had 50 cents. Now that
they are $10.-, everybody has $10.-.

End of economics 101.

P.S. a Nathan's hot dog that used to cost a nickel, is now $1.85.

Mort Linder

In a nearby franchise store they are $2.75. Yes I have seen them for
less in I prefer that you were right. I will verify this old memory and
post a link next time we are there.



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PeterN

RichA wrote:
I remember $0.28/gallon in 1966. One of my first memories.

I remember, "fill your tank for one dollar", in 1940/41. Of course, in
those days, automobile mechanics earned $12.- a week, and service
managers got $25.- a week.

Mort Linder

On 2016-07-22 01:08:32 +0000, Mort said:

RichA wrote:
I remember $0.28/gallon in 1966. One of my first memories.

I remember, "fill your tank for one dollar", in 1940/41. Of course, in
those days, automobile mechanics earned $12.- a week, and service
managers got $25.- a week.

....and then in 1942 all that changed with fuel ration stamps and
necessities such as new tires were unavailable to the general public
due to rubber being declared a strategic commodity.

My father recalls that while at advanced fighter training at, of all
places, Marfa, Texas, he and a buddy had a 55 gallon drum rigged in the
trunk of a Hudson. They would then drive over to Mexico where there was
no rationing and gas was still cheap, to fill up.


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Regards,

Savageduck