summary of Kodak downfall

In article , J. Clarke
wrote:


As to Advantix, I investigated it when it first came out and as soon as
I realized the film was smaller than 35mm any possible interest ended at
once. Though I did see a few people using those disk cameras, I don't
recall ever seeing anyone use Advantix.

"Advantix" was just Kodak's brand for APS, which was a fine idea that
lives on in the digital world.

aps in digital was due to the cost of sensors early on.

advantix was nothing more than another unnecessary film format designed
to get people to buy new cameras, something kodak did with regularity
(126, 110, disc, etc.), and it failed, especially since it didn't offer
anything significant over what already existed and once digital hit,
game over.

On 02/11/2014 10:54 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
Inmy driver's seat just in
case I forgot my "real" camera.


As to Advantix, I investigated it when it first came out and as soon as
I realized the film was smaller than 35mm any possible interest ended at
once. Though I did see a few people using those disk cameras, I don't
recall ever seeing anyone use Advantix.

"Advantix" was just Kodak's brand for APS, which was a fine idea that
lives on in the digital world.


It was only 24mm, quite inferior to 35mm I'd say. I don't see that
smaller film is a "fine idea".


Please explain what the connection is to that type of film and digital.

"Dale" wrote in message
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On 02/10/2014 08:09 PM, dpb wrote:
On 2/10/2014 6:17 PM, Dale wrote:
...snip...

Which has what, specifically to do with Matlab so why are you polluting
cs-sm?

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Kodak used to use Matlab for image processing, and Matlab used to be a
member of the ICC, http://www.color.org

I used to use Matlab, I wrote a script for calibrating color negatives on
a film recorder until the film recorder was gone, but mostly edited other
people's scripts, like I said I was a development systems engineer who
only dabbled in research science

I also used SAS

does matlab have a good statistics library?

--
Dale


We think so. Check it out: http://www.mathworks.com/products/statistics/

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--Loren

http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren

On 2/11/14 2:44 PM, Loren Shure wrote:

"Dale" wrote in message
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On 02/10/2014 08:09 PM, dpb wrote:
On 2/10/2014 6:17 PM, Dale wrote:
...snip...

Which has what, specifically to do with Matlab so why are you polluting
cs-sm?

--

Kodak used to use Matlab for image processing, and Matlab used to be a
member of the ICC, http://www.color.org

I used to use Matlab, I wrote a script for calibrating color negatives
on a film recorder until the film recorder was gone, but mostly edited
other people's scripts, like I said I was a development systems
engineer who only dabbled in research science

I also used SAS

does matlab have a good statistics library?

--
Dale


We think so. Check it out: http://www.mathworks.com/products/statistics/


To clarify a comment above: MathWorks, the maker of MATLAB, is still a
member of the ICC.

http://www.color.org/iccmembers.xalter

Steve

On 02/10/2014 07:17 PM, Dale wrote:
Kodak failed to leverage a giant imaging media market into emerging
hardware and software markets and new media markets


what if you applied the laws of supply and demand to labor?

the work less people want gets paid more

the work people want more gets paid less

no harm done to meritocracy, more meritocracy since the demand of labor
is satisfied better resulting in a more plausible production model, and
more labor and wages giving demand for products and service

for instance, a coal miner gets paid more than a schmoozer

not applying laws of supply and demand to labor violates capitalism

we do not have capitalism, we have only prestige, its like saying your
title is more important than your pay, its like saying titles are more
important than capitalism

--
Dale

In article , says...

On 02/11/2014 10:54 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
Inmy driver's seat just in
case I forgot my "real" camera.


As to Advantix, I investigated it when it first came out and as soon as
I realized the film was smaller than 35mm any possible interest ended at
once. Though I did see a few people using those disk cameras, I don't
recall ever seeing anyone use Advantix.

"Advantix" was just Kodak's brand for APS, which was a fine idea that
lives on in the digital world.


It was only 24mm, quite inferior to 35mm I'd say. I don't see that
smaller film is a "fine idea".


Please explain what the connection is to that type of film and digital.

The majority of DSLRs on the market use the APS film format.

On 02/11/2014 09:06 PM, Dale wrote:
On 02/10/2014 07:17 PM, Dale wrote:
Kodak failed to leverage a giant imaging media market into emerging
hardware and software markets and new media markets


what if you applied the laws of supply and demand to labor?

the work less people want gets paid more

the work people want more gets paid less

no harm done to meritocracy, more meritocracy since the demand of labor
is satisfied better resulting in a more plausible production model, and
more labor and wages giving demand for products and service

for instance, a coal miner gets paid more than a schmoozer

not applying laws of supply and demand to labor violates capitalism

we do not have capitalism, we have only prestige, its like saying your
title is more important than your pay, its like saying titles are more
important than capitalism


we had production on earth before

look at the pyramids all over the place, and other structures, etc.

where did that production go?

you can question how the production occurred, but can you really
question whether it occurred

did the bottom fall out before?

if you fail to learn from history you may repeat the failures of history

--
Dale

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:11:23 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article , says...

On 02/11/2014 10:54 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
Inmy driver's seat just in
case I forgot my "real" camera.


As to Advantix, I investigated it when it first came out and as soon as
I realized the film was smaller than 35mm any possible interest ended at
once. Though I did see a few people using those disk cameras, I don't
recall ever seeing anyone use Advantix.

"Advantix" was just Kodak's brand for APS, which was a fine idea that
lives on in the digital world.


It was only 24mm, quite inferior to 35mm I'd say. I don't see that
smaller film is a "fine idea".


Please explain what the connection is to that type of film and digital.

The majority of DSLRs on the market use the APS film format.

Which format? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Photo_System

"The film is 24 mm wide, and has three image formats:

* H for "High Definition" (30.2 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9;
4×7" print)
* C for "Classic" (25.1 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4×6" print)
* P for "Panoramic" (30.2 × 9.5 mm; aspect ratio 3:1; 4×11"
print)
The "C" and "P" formats are formed by cropping. "

What is there there that can definitively be shown to be the ancestor
of the format used by DSLRs?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 02/11/2014 03:24 PM, Steve Eddins wrote:
MathWorks, the maker of MATLAB, is still a member of the ICC.

do they have a toolbox and does it contain a CMM?

--
Dale

On 02/11/2014 08:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote:


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Please explain what the connection is to that type of film and digital.

The majority of DSLRs on the market use the APS film format.


OK. I understand now...

that said ...Advantix film and cameras were a flop.

Affordable digital cameras were just starting to become available.

At the time, affordable film cameras were of course better.