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  #11  
Old October 3rd 13, 07:51 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.


I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.


no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so
there's no point in bothering to support it.

there are other devices more suitable for what he wants to do.
attaching not one, but *two* hard drives is certainly not mobile.
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Old October 3rd 13, 07:51 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , David Taylor
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Can the iPad do anything useful with an OTG cable, or is that limited to
the micro-USB connector?


you don't need an otg cable (nor would one work) and it doesn't have a
micro usb connector anyway.

the camera connection kit is how you get usb host support, but only for
limited devices because most usb devices don't make any sense being
attached to a mobile device.
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Old October 3rd 13, 09:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 02:51:53 -0400, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.


I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.


no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so
there's no point in bothering to support it.


Has it occurred to you that it's not a 'comon use case' for the simple
reason it can't be done with the iPad as it stands?

there are other devices more suitable for what he wants to do.
attaching not one, but *two* hard drives is certainly not mobile.

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Old October 3rd 13, 03:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 10/2/2013 9:24 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-10-02 17:32:52 -0700, PeterN said:

On 10/2/2013 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said:

In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

Indeed, I considred using a iPad to
transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The
Apple
people told me it couldn't be done.

it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive.

If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does.

not in the way you think.

What way do I think?
...or should I ask, what way do you think I think?

read what i said:
it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive.

you then said with the cck, it can do that.

that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive
plugged into a laptop, both read and write.

it cannot.

the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos
from a
camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and
not a hard drive interface kit.

I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as
there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC
cards
used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my
D300s
without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my
Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD
card, I
use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or
E900 via USB cable.
My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera.
One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB
power
source, the iPad does not do that.

Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking?

what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or
camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise.

as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing
(assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in
the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder).

the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's
read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to
copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more
photos, not write images back to them.

it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a
card,
especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying
them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere.



All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB
port. Which is the function i need.

Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does
with it is up to the software on each side.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to
know.


I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card
reader and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a
hard drive, and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and
do a rough edit and cull with the iPad.


Nope! The iPad USB is not going to have enough juice to do that. A
standard USB card reader hooked up to an IPad with the USB connector
provided in the "Camera Connection Kit" is going to give you this message.
https://db.tt/UduMmVDt

However there are powered USB hard drives designed to work with the iPad
which will get you close to what you are looking for.



Yup!


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Old October 3rd 13, 03:14 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 10/2/2013 10:44 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:32:52 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 10/2/2013 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said:

In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

Indeed, I considred using a iPad to
transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple
people told me it couldn't be done.

it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive.

If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does.

not in the way you think.

What way do I think?
...or should I ask, what way do you think I think?

read what i said:
it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive.

you then said with the cck, it can do that.

that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive
plugged into a laptop, both read and write.

it cannot.

the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a
camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and
not a hard drive interface kit.

I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as
there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards
used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s
without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my
Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I
use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or
E900 via USB cable.
My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera.
One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power
source, the iPad does not do that.

Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking?

what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or
camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise.

as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing
(assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in
the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder).

the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's
read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to
copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more
photos, not write images back to them.

it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card,
especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying
them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere.



All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB
port. Which is the function i need.

Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does
with it is up to the software on each side.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to
know.


I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.


I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.


That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port.



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  #16  
Old October 3rd 13, 03:31 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 10/3/2013 2:51 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB
port. Which is the function i need.

Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does
with it is up to the software on each side.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to
know.


I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.


no.

that is *well* beyond what any tablet could do, ipad or not.

a tablet doesn't fit your needs. no big deal. buy something else that
does.

that doesn't mean an ipad is crap, it means that your particular use
case is not what it was designed to do.


Since you agree, why do you argue.

BTWn Just where have I said the iPad was crap.

it's like buying a car and wondering why you can't put a piano in the
trunk. a car was not designed to move pianos. for that you have to get
a truck (and additional people).


Depends on the size of the piano.

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Old October 3rd 13, 03:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 10/3/2013 2:51 AM, nospam wrote:
In article 2013100218245635001-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

However there are powered USB hard drives designed to work with the
iPad which will get you close to what you are looking for.


no there aren't. what he wants to do can't be done on an ipad or an
android tablet either.

there are other devices that fit his needs.


And I happily use them. the only issues I run into with them, are due to
my own mistakes.

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Old October 3rd 13, 04:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
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That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.


it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality.

just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb
port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port.


how in the world do you come up with that nonsense?
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Old October 3rd 13, 04:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.

I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.


no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so
there's no point in bothering to support it.


Has it occurred to you that it's not a 'comon use case' for the simple
reason it can't be done with the iPad as it stands?


has it occurred to you that the reason the ipad doesn't do it is
*because* it's not a common use case?

mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging
off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its
face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid.
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Old October 3rd 13, 05:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 10/3/2013 2:51 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.


I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.


no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so
there's no point in bothering to support it.

there are other devices more suitable for what he wants to do.
attaching not one, but *two* hard drives is certainly not mobile.


So when I say it won't work for me I'm bashing. But you can say that
it's not designed to meet my uses.

By my definition that's arguing for the sake of arguing.

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