Snapshots of Afghanistan - August 2009

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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Bill Graham wrote:
"Walter Banks" wrote in message
Bill Graham wrote:

I could personally care less about them or that part of
the world. I never sent anyone over there to kill 3000 innocent people,
There is no one on my block here in Oregon that is training to go
anywhere
to kill civilians, and never has been.

Many more than 3000 innocent people have been killed
since 911 in the name of WTC revenge. Which killer should I
be most concerned about the one who killed first or the one who
killed the most.

How about the one who targeted innocent civilians like the ones who
happened
to be in those twin towers?

Or the ones who happend to be in Bahgdad? Or Mosul? Or elsewhere in
Iraq?

Civilians have always been killed in the wars of
mankind, but even the Japanese in WW-II didn't target them at Pearl
Harbor......

But the Allies did in Dresden.

As did the German in England, the Russians under Stalin.
What is your point Ray other than people die in wars.

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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mikey4 wrote:

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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mikey4 wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
Walter Banks wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:

I could personally care less about them or that part of
the world. I never sent anyone over there to kill 3000 innocent
people,
There is no one on my block here in Oregon that is training to go
anywhere
to kill civilians, and never has been.

Many more than 3000 innocent people have been killed
since 911 in the name of WTC revenge.

Probably accidentally, but you left off two zeros.

Which killer should I
be most concerned about the one who killed first or the one who
killed the most.

In the case of Bush, it's both.

Who do you blame for the Marine barracks?

The attack that caused Reagan to turn tail and run?

Or how about the USS Cole, Bush?

Bush killed thousands of innocent people. He didn't go after the
people who attacked the US. He killed people who were no threat to
the US at all.

Suck it up whiner,

Go to hell, murderous bigot.

--
LOL as always you don't answer the questions

You're lying again, rightard.

You murderous bigots are just like the people you hate. You're
willing and eager to kill innocent people.

WOW, and to think you actually believe the crap you write; how sad it must
be to be you.

"Chris H" wrote in message
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So it has taken over 8 years so far and the current word from the US
commanders is "at best we can draw but not win"

When you are fighting bands of rebels who are basically disorganized and/or
not assembled in a concentrated area, then, "winning" in the classical sense
if impossible......It is like winning the war against crime. No matter what
you do, crime will continue to take place because all it takes is one
individual, deciding to commit some criminal act, to continue the act of
crime. In the same context, all it takes is one terrorist, deciding to
commit some terrorist act, to continue terrorism, and it is impossible to
predict when such a person will appear and commit his act. So, it is easy to
say, "We will at best draw, but never win." What must happen, is we must
continue to police against terrorist and/or criminal activities everywhere,
and, in order to do this, we must continue the, "Bush doctrine", which means
we must carry the police activities across foreign borders when necessary.
Fortunately, most of the superpowers realize and accept this, and are
willing to cooperate with us on this. They suffer from terrorism as much as
we do. The ones who do not cooperate will suffer from our financial
embargoes if nothing else. There is an advantage to being the richest cat on
the block......

"mikey4" wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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mikey4 wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
Walter Banks wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:

I could personally care less about them or that part of
the world. I never sent anyone over there to kill 3000 innocent
people,
There is no one on my block here in Oregon that is training to go
anywhere
to kill civilians, and never has been.

Many more than 3000 innocent people have been killed
since 911 in the name of WTC revenge.

Probably accidentally, but you left off two zeros.

Which killer should I
be most concerned about the one who killed first or the one who
killed the most.

In the case of Bush, it's both.

Who do you blame for the Marine barracks?

The attack that caused Reagan to turn tail and run?

Or how about the USS Cole, Bush?

Bush killed thousands of innocent people. He didn't go after the
people who attacked the US. He killed people who were no threat to
the US at all.

Suck it up whiner,

Go to hell, murderous bigot.

--
LOL as always you don't answer the questions ands you clip "Suck it up
whiner, your main man is in the white house".
"Bush killed thousands of innocent people."
And so did Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon, what's your point?


Hey guys......Don't forget Hitler and Stalin. (Just to pick a couple out of
many) Bush et al didn't acquire any territory.....That's a big difference.
It kind of separated them from the rest. If no territory, then where's the
motive? As Colin Powell said, "The only land we ever asked for, was enough
to bury our dead."

"mikey4" wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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Bush killed thousands of innocent people. He didn't go after the
people who attacked the US. He killed people who were no threat to
the US at all.

Suck it up whiner,

Go to hell, murderous bigot.

--
LOL as always you don't answer the questions

You're lying again, rightard.

You murderous bigots are just like the people you hate. You're
willing and eager to kill innocent people.

WOW, and to think you actually believe the crap you write; how sad it must
be to be you.

Yes. Ray has never been able to tell the difference between the attackers
and the attacked. Or the land grabbers and the land protectors. Even when we
keep telling him to look at the color of their hats........

"mikey4" wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
...
Bill Graham wrote:
"Walter Banks" wrote in message
Bill Graham wrote:

I could personally care less about them or that part of
the world. I never sent anyone over there to kill 3000 innocent
people,
There is no one on my block here in Oregon that is training to go
anywhere
to kill civilians, and never has been.

Many more than 3000 innocent people have been killed
since 911 in the name of WTC revenge. Which killer should I
be most concerned about the one who killed first or the one who
killed the most.

How about the one who targeted innocent civilians like the ones who
happened
to be in those twin towers?

Or the ones who happend to be in Bahgdad? Or Mosul? Or elsewhere in
Iraq?

Civilians have always been killed in the wars of
mankind, but even the Japanese in WW-II didn't target them at Pearl
Harbor......

But the Allies did in Dresden.

As did the German in England, the Russians under Stalin.
What is your point Ray other than people die in wars.

Ray's point is very simple:

USA = "bad guys"
Everyone else = "good guys"

The fact that we haven't acquired any land in the last couple of hundred
years don't make no never mind to him.

On 2009-08-30 14:24:43 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
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On 2009-08-30 13:18:21 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
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On 2009-08-29 23:19:25 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Bob Larter" wrote in message
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I'd come off as less of an idiot to you were I to read and accept your
propaganda, that's for sure........I am sorry to inform you that I get
my information from other sources.

Yeah, like Faux News.

It beats the fawning idolatry of Brian Williams. Check out Glen Beck,
If you're interested in our progress toward socialism.

Glen Beck!!??
...and your alternative is Brian Williams?
Oh Bill! It is so sad to finally understand the reason for the
astonishing level of bitterness you hold for the World and your fellow
US citizens. Glen Beck has told you who to blame, and it is everybody
but GWB and Murdock.
I guess it is far too late to let you know there are other far more
reliable, and less biased sources of information than Fnews and most of
what the networks sell (though occasionally they are able to come close
to getting to the truth.)

Funny.....I listen to what is said, and not who is saying it. Beck
comes through to me loud and clear, and in spades. How about telling me
where he is wrong, instead of castigating his character? Or, do you
even hear what he is saying?

I gave up listening to Fox News for the desperate sometime ago, in much
the same way I don't listen to Limbaugh or Savage, all provide
"unbalanced" misinformation, and as such their characters are as
questionable and unreliable as their reportage.

So I am right......You don't hear what he is saying. Funny, when I
listen to Brian Williams and others who anchor the evening news on ABC,
CBS, and NBC, I hear a lot of meaningless claptrap, and lots and lots
of misinformation. Especially when they quote numbers.....Most of these
people can't tell the difference between a million, billion, and
trillion......They tend to use these three words interchangeably. This
doesn't give me a hell of a lot of confidence in the veracity of what
they say.

Nobody says you should accept what is reported by any network as the
absolute truth, they are all chasing ratings after all.

To me, the logic of the conservative commentators is a lot more
realistic than these people. Beck, for example, has researched the
people who are advising president Obama, and I sure don't like their
backgrounds......Many are socialists at best, and communists at
worst.....Terrorists, to boot. It explains why Obama is hell bent on
socializing the medical profession in this country.
Opinions you have adopted due to brainwashing from the Fox/Murdock team.

A process which will virtually eliminate the drug advances which we
have achieved during the last 50 years or so. (almost all of which have
been American, and none from those countries which have socialized
medicine)
Not all. Check on pharmaceutical companies such as Ciba-Geigy, Sandoz,
Nattermann Aventis, and many more.
Also US research based pharmaceutical companies were put behind the
curve with the Bush administration restrictions on stem cell research.

(It takes a capitalized drug industry to get the incentives to develop
good medicines.)
see above.

Our only hope is to dump this guy and his administration in the next
election. There is only one word for a socialized economy, and that
word is "drab". Everyone will look alike, act alike, and think
alike......Just go to England and look around, and you will see what I
mean.

You don't travel much do you?

I listen to the other three news stations as much as I do Fox, and I
compare what they all say. But you refuse to listen to what the best
one is saying, don't you? So how can you tell me that I am biased?
Check out your own mirror........

I gave up on Fox when their right-wing mind-numbing political agenda
filled with FUD lost all credibility.
....but it appears you are right in the center of their target market.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

"Savageduck" wrote in message
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On 2009-08-30 14:24:43 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
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On 2009-08-30 13:18:21 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
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On 2009-08-29 23:19:25 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Bob Larter" wrote in message
...
I'd come off as less of an idiot to you were I to read and accept
your propaganda, that's for sure........I am sorry to inform you
that I get my information from other sources.

Yeah, like Faux News.

It beats the fawning idolatry of Brian Williams. Check out Glen Beck,
If you're interested in our progress toward socialism.

Glen Beck!!??
...and your alternative is Brian Williams?
Oh Bill! It is so sad to finally understand the reason for the
astonishing level of bitterness you hold for the World and your fellow
US citizens. Glen Beck has told you who to blame, and it is everybody
but GWB and Murdock.
I guess it is far too late to let you know there are other far more
reliable, and less biased sources of information than Fnews and most
of what the networks sell (though occasionally they are able to come
close to getting to the truth.)

Funny.....I listen to what is said, and not who is saying it. Beck
comes through to me loud and clear, and in spades. How about telling me
where he is wrong, instead of castigating his character? Or, do you
even hear what he is saying?

I gave up listening to Fox News for the desperate sometime ago, in much
the same way I don't listen to Limbaugh or Savage, all provide
"unbalanced" misinformation, and as such their characters are as
questionable and unreliable as their reportage.

So I am right......You don't hear what he is saying. Funny, when I listen
to Brian Williams and others who anchor the evening news on ABC, CBS, and
NBC, I hear a lot of meaningless claptrap, and lots and lots of
misinformation. Especially when they quote numbers.....Most of these
people can't tell the difference between a million, billion, and
trillion......They tend to use these three words interchangeably. This
doesn't give me a hell of a lot of confidence in the veracity of what
they say.

Nobody says you should accept what is reported by any network as the
absolute truth, they are all chasing ratings after all.

To me, the logic of the conservative commentators is a lot more realistic
than these people. Beck, for example, has researched the people who are
advising president Obama, and I sure don't like their
backgrounds......Many are socialists at best, and communists at
worst.....Terrorists, to boot. It explains why Obama is hell bent on
socializing the medical profession in this country.
Opinions you have adopted due to brainwashing from the Fox/Murdock team.

A process which will virtually eliminate the drug advances which we have
achieved during the last 50 years or so. (almost all of which have been
American, and none from those countries which have socialized medicine)
Not all. Check on pharmaceutical companies such as Ciba-Geigy, Sandoz,
Nattermann Aventis, and many more.
Also US research based pharmaceutical companies were put behind the curve
with the Bush administration restrictions on stem cell research.

(It takes a capitalized drug industry to get the incentives to develop
good medicines.)
see above.

Our only hope is to dump this guy and his administration in the next
election. There is only one word for a socialized economy, and that word
is "drab". Everyone will look alike, act alike, and think alike......Just
go to England and look around, and you will see what I mean.

You don't travel much do you?

I listen to the other three news stations as much as I do Fox, and I
compare what they all say. But you refuse to listen to what the best one
is saying, don't you? So how can you tell me that I am biased? Check out
your own mirror........

I gave up on Fox when their right-wing mind-numbing political agenda
filled with FUD lost all credibility.
...but it appears you are right in the center of their target market.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

I guess you have a reading problem too:

I listen to the other three news stations as much as I do Fox, and I
compare what they all say. But you refuse to listen to what the best one
is saying, don't you? So how can you tell me that I am biased? Check out
your own mirror........

"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2009083015080142612-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
A process which will virtually eliminate the drug advances which we have
achieved during the last 50 years or so. (almost all of which have been
American, and none from those countries which have socialized medicine)
Not all. Check on pharmaceutical companies such as Ciba-Geigy, Sandoz,
Nattermann Aventis, and many more.

Mostly financed by UD money........

Also US research based pharmaceutical companies were put behind the curve
with the Bush administration restrictions on stem cell research.

I agree with this. But just because I am a conservative doesn't mean I am a
religious nut. The Republican party does contain a few atheists, you
know......

On 2009-08-30 15:10:36 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
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On 2009-08-30 14:24:43 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2009083014031378840-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2009-08-30 13:18:21 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2009083005011343042-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
On 2009-08-29 23:19:25 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Bob Larter" wrote in message
...
I'd come off as less of an idiot to you were I to read and accept your
propaganda, that's for sure........I am sorry to inform you that I get
my information from other sources.

Yeah, like Faux News.

It beats the fawning idolatry of Brian Williams. Check out Glen Beck,
If you're interested in our progress toward socialism.

Glen Beck!!??
...and your alternative is Brian Williams?
Oh Bill! It is so sad to finally understand the reason for the
astonishing level of bitterness you hold for the World and your fellow
US citizens. Glen Beck has told you who to blame, and it is everybody
but GWB and Murdock.
I guess it is far too late to let you know there are other far more
reliable, and less biased sources of information than Fnews and most of
what the networks sell (though occasionally they are able to come close
to getting to the truth.)

Funny.....I listen to what is said, and not who is saying it. Beck
comes through to me loud and clear, and in spades. How about telling me
where he is wrong, instead of castigating his character? Or, do you
even hear what he is saying?

I gave up listening to Fox News for the desperate sometime ago, in much
the same way I don't listen to Limbaugh or Savage, all provide
"unbalanced" misinformation, and as such their characters are as
questionable and unreliable as their reportage.

So I am right......You don't hear what he is saying. Funny, when I
listen to Brian Williams and others who anchor the evening news on ABC,
CBS, and NBC, I hear a lot of meaningless claptrap, and lots and lots
of misinformation. Especially when they quote numbers.....Most of these
people can't tell the difference between a million, billion, and
trillion......They tend to use these three words interchangeably. This
doesn't give me a hell of a lot of confidence in the veracity of what
they say.

Nobody says you should accept what is reported by any network as the
absolute truth, they are all chasing ratings after all.

To me, the logic of the conservative commentators is a lot more
realistic than these people. Beck, for example, has researched the
people who are advising president Obama, and I sure don't like their
backgrounds......Many are socialists at best, and communists at
worst.....Terrorists, to boot. It explains why Obama is hell bent on
socializing the medical profession in this country.
Opinions you have adopted due to brainwashing from the Fox/Murdock team.

A process which will virtually eliminate the drug advances which we
have achieved during the last 50 years or so. (almost all of which have
been American, and none from those countries which have socialized
medicine)
Not all. Check on pharmaceutical companies such as Ciba-Geigy, Sandoz,
Nattermann Aventis, and many more.
Also US research based pharmaceutical companies were put behind the
curve with the Bush administration restrictions on stem cell research.

(It takes a capitalized drug industry to get the incentives to develop
good medicines.)
see above.

Our only hope is to dump this guy and his administration in the next
election. There is only one word for a socialized economy, and that
word is "drab". Everyone will look alike, act alike, and think
alike......Just go to England and look around, and you will see what I
mean.

You don't travel much do you?

I listen to the other three news stations as much as I do Fox, and I
compare what they all say. But you refuse to listen to what the best
one is saying, don't you? So how can you tell me that I am biased?
Check out your own mirror........

I gave up on Fox when their right-wing mind-numbing political agenda
filled with FUD lost all credibility.
...but it appears you are right in the center of their target market.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

I guess you have a reading problem too:

I am not the one with a problem in this discussion. My reading skills
are just fine.

....and coming from a background in Law Enforcement I have had to deal
with a whole culture of individuals who have a similar mind set to
yours. A group of sheep herded by Fox, Hannity, Beck & Limbaugh, all
led by the nose through fear of what a just US might cost them (or in
this case you.)

I am thankful I have been able to retire and retain ties with those
colleagues you think rationally, and forget about the knee-jerk
reactionaries.

--
Regards,

Savageduck