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  #121  
Old January 22nd 17, 05:56 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN
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Default Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

On 1/21/2017 10:23 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:35:49 -0500, PeterN
wrote:

On 1/21/2017 5:50 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 17:04:13 -0500, PeterN
wrote:

On 1/21/2017 3:46 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil
wrote:

I would be very skeptical about claims that one needs Windows 10 to
handle 4k displays, because that is managed by the graphics card, and
all that is required is a driver compatible with an older version of
Windows. Such things do exist; there are many for Windows Vista and 7,
for example.

it may be possible if you hunt for the appropriate drivers and any
other support software that may be needed, but that's a hassle and not
everyone will bother (or even know where to look).

with win10, support is built in, so other than the occasional edge
case, it will work out of the box.

Windows 10 is *not* required for 4K displays.

i didn't say win10 was required. i said it works out of the box without
any fuss.

Since this is not an
OS-level issue,

it absolutely is an os issue. without os level support, it's *not*
going to work unless the app explicitly supports it, which is not
likely.

most people who have done graphics using a PC will not
find it difficult to get the requisite drivers for their specific
graphics card.

some might not, but most will since most users are *not* geeks,
particularly those who do graphics for a living.



My daughter who uses a PC, and is a creative director, uses Windows 7 at
home and a Mac in her office, has no graphics issues. And since she
works from home several days a week, she regularly transfers files
between her two machines.

Does she use 4k screens?


No. Very little of her work is for print.


Then I don't think this relates to the possible problems of using 4k
screens. Does it?


It certainly does, as collaboration is a big factor.

Also, I should have mentioned that the amount of her work for printing
is sold by her agent. Her share ranges from $50 for an 8x10 up to $750.
The agent charges a lot more as the agent needs a profit. My daughter
really doesn't care what the agent's share is.

--
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  #122  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

On 1/22/2017 2:48 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:


snip

When you construct a print from RGB colors you have access only to
colors within the three-pointed three-color RGB triangle. This is fine
for an RGB printer but Epson has far more colors than this available.
Basically, they have colours which can be generated from within an
eight-pointed eight-colour polygon. LR and PS know nothing about these
which is why Epson says 'leave it to the printer'. I posted an article
about this when I first got the P800 and the results can be
astonishing.



Very true. It seems to me that one should be able to see pretty close to
the printed colors. I have heard that soft proofing accomplishes this.
Yet, if you leave color management to the printers, will one be able to
see the final image onscreen?
I am asking seriously.


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  #123  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:06 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN said:

On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


My LR print dialog can look something like this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg



More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you
enjoying it?


I am back.
I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't
much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but
I made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for
years.

I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the
Central Coast to wherever it will take me.
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  #124  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:11 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN
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Default Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamutmonitors?

On 1/22/2017 12:06 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN said:

On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


My LR print dialog can look something like this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg



More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you
enjoying it?


I am back.
I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't
much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but I
made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for
years.

I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the
Central Coast to wherever it will take me.


Not every trip needs to be photographically magnificent, unless of
course that was the purpose of the trip. I hope you enjoyed it.

--
PeterN
  #125  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

On 2017-01-22 17:03:40 +0000, PeterN said:

On 1/22/2017 2:48 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:


snip

When you construct a print from RGB colors you have access only to
colors within the three-pointed three-color RGB triangle. This is fine
for an RGB printer but Epson has far more colors than this available.
Basically, they have colours which can be generated from within an
eight-pointed eight-colour polygon. LR and PS know nothing about these
which is why Epson says 'leave it to the printer'. I posted an article
about this when I first got the P800 and the results can be
astonishing.



Very true. It seems to me that one should be able to see pretty close
to the printed colors. I have heard that soft proofing accomplishes
this. Yet, if you leave color management to the printers, will one be
able to see the final image onscreen?
I am asking seriously.


If you relinquish color management to the printer you are waiving all
the work you had done in software, and you are rolling the dice with
regard to print results matching your intentions worked for in LR or PS
Soft proofing is the best compromise in making final tweaks before
producing a print.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #126  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:15 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

On 2017-01-22 17:11:38 +0000, PeterN said:

On 1/22/2017 12:06 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN said:

On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


My LR print dialog can look something like this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg


More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you
enjoying it?


I am back.
I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't
much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but I
made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for
years.

I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the
Central Coast to wherever it will take me.


Not every trip needs to be photographically magnificent, unless of
course that was the purpose of the trip. I hope you enjoyed it.


The primary purpose of the trip was not photography, but one can always
hope for appropriate photo opportunities.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #127  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN
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Default Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

On 1/22/2017 12:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 17:03:40 +0000, PeterN said:

On 1/22/2017 2:48 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:


snip

When you construct a print from RGB colors you have access only to
colors within the three-pointed three-color RGB triangle. This is fine
for an RGB printer but Epson has far more colors than this available.
Basically, they have colours which can be generated from within an
eight-pointed eight-colour polygon. LR and PS know nothing about these
which is why Epson says 'leave it to the printer'. I posted an article
about this when I first got the P800 and the results can be
astonishing.



Very true. It seems to me that one should be able to see pretty close
to the printed colors. I have heard that soft proofing accomplishes
this. Yet, if you leave color management to the printers, will one be
able to see the final image onscreen?
I am asking seriously.


If you relinquish color management to the printer you are waiving all
the work you had done in software, and you are rolling the dice with
regard to print results matching your intentions worked for in LR or PS
Soft proofing is the best compromise in making final tweaks before
producing a print.


That makes sense. I would think that a good workflow would be to soft
proof, and then run a test print, using a smaller size paper.

--
PeterN
  #128  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:25 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN
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Default Duck's trip. Was ( Does anyone have experience of High Gamutmonitors?

On 1/22/2017 12:15 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 17:11:38 +0000, PeterN said:

On 1/22/2017 12:06 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-01-22 16:49:50 +0000, PeterN
said:

On 1/21/2017 9:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


My LR print dialog can look something like this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/screenshot_344.jpg


More importantly. Are you back from your trip? Or, if not how are you
enjoying it?

I am back.
I was a bit dissapointed from the photography point of view as I didn't
much get out of greater Cape Town to seek out wild life prospects, but I
made great connections with old friends and places I had not seen for
years.

I will have a very different agenda for my next trip from here on the
Central Coast to wherever it will take me.


Not every trip needs to be photographically magnificent, unless of
course that was the purpose of the trip. I hope you enjoyed it.


The primary purpose of the trip was not photography, but one can always
hope for appropriate photo opportunities.


Appropriate opportunities are always present. The main difference is
that on a photo trip one seeks them out.
On a recent weekend trip, I did not even bring a camera. Murphy
intervened, and we just stopped to enjoy the great sunset.

--
PeterN
  #129  
Old January 22nd 17, 06:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

In article ,
Eric Stevens wrote:

For the last several years I have relied on an (almost) matched pairs
of Dell 2410 monitors - and now one has died. Not really surprising,
considering it was +8 years old, but it was a bloody good monitor. I
am now faced with the task of replacing it.

I don't want to just replace it as it would amount to no more than
installing 8 year old technology and I have been frantically beating
around the bush trying to decide what to do. I am considering all
kinds of options but I don't want to go into them now. One possibility
which is raising sweat to my brow is the use of a high gamut monitor
such as the Dell Ultrasharp 25 UP2516D
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-...remiercolor-up
2516d/apd/210-agjq/monitors-monitor-accessories
or http://tinyurl.com/hdpepts

My reading on the subject suggests that monitors such as this can have
problems with non-color-managed applications such as many that can be
found on the Internet and can also create problems when editing images
in all kinds of software. I would like to know if anyone has had any
experience with such monitors and what their comments may be. Should I
consider them and, if so, with what caveats in mind?


I have an US and is reluctant to get another. Got you plleeeease test
this one for me?

http://www.canonrumors.com/reviews/r...ch-adobe-rgb-m
onitor/
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  #130  
Old January 22nd 17, 07:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?

In article , PeterN
wrote:


I would be very skeptical about claims that one needs Windows 10 to
handle 4k displays, because that is managed by the graphics card, and
all that is required is a driver compatible with an older version of
Windows. Such things do exist; there are many for Windows Vista and
7, for example.

it may be possible if you hunt for the appropriate drivers and any
other support software that may be needed, but that's a hassle and not
everyone will bother (or even know where to look).

with win10, support is built in, so other than the occasional edge
case, it will work out of the box.

Windows 10 is *not* required for 4K displays.

i didn't say win10 was required. i said it works out of the box without
any fuss.

Since this is not an
OS-level issue,

it absolutely is an os issue. without os level support, it's *not*
going to work unless the app explicitly supports it, which is not
likely.

most people who have done graphics using a PC will not
find it difficult to get the requisite drivers for their specific
graphics card.

some might not, but most will since most users are *not* geeks,
particularly those who do graphics for a living.



My daughter who uses a PC, and is a creative director, uses Windows 7 at
home and a Mac in her office, has no graphics issues. And since she
works from home several days a week, she regularly transfers files
between her two machines.

Does she use 4k screens?


No. Very little of her work is for print.


Then I don't think this relates to the possible problems of using 4k
screens. Does it?


It certainly does, as collaboration is a big factor.


collaboration has nothing to do with using a 4k display.

Also, I should have mentioned that the amount of her work for printing
is sold by her agent. Her share ranges from $50 for an 8x10 up to $750.
The agent charges a lot more as the agent needs a profit. My daughter
really doesn't care what the agent's share is.


even more irrelevant.
 




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