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Old September 14th 04, 12:03 PM
JS
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Hi,

I have a coolpix 5700 that I'm reasonably happy with, but lately I've
been more and more annoyed at the time it takes to write the raw photo
to the compact flash card. I realize I'm writing almost 7 megs worth
of data, but it's taking what feels like a minute per shot (probably
closer to 30 seconds, I'll admit I haven't timed it). I can also only
take about 3 raw photos before I have to wait a few minutes for the
camera to write its buffer to the card.

Is this normal?

I've seen the ads for the high speed cards, 45x!, 32x!, super fast!,
yadda, yadda, yadda, but do the really work? Will the 5700 actually
write the picture to the card faster on these cards? Is this just
marketing? Or do only the newer cameras take advantage of the high
speed cards? I've been lusting after the 8 megapixel models like the
8700, the digital rebel, and the pentax (I forget the model), so I'm
curious if this is an even worse problem on the bigger data files.

Thanks for any suggestions.
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Old September 14th 04, 02:40 PM
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This subject was hashed around about a week ago if you can dig back and find
it. I think I'm correct in stating that the CP5700 can NOT take advantage of
the faster cards. I own a CP5700 and use it almost exclusively for RAW
files. Yes, it takes a bit over a minute to completely write a RAW file, and
three shots in quick succession will stop your shooting for at least three
minutes. Regardless, this particular camera suits my needs very well and I
haven't seen one I really want to trade for. The slow write speed is
probably my biggest gripe.

"JS" wrote in message
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Hi,

I have a coolpix 5700 that I'm reasonably happy with, but lately I've
been more and more annoyed at the time it takes to write the raw photo
to the compact flash card. I realize I'm writing almost 7 megs worth
of data, but it's taking what feels like a minute per shot (probably
closer to 30 seconds, I'll admit I haven't timed it). I can also only
take about 3 raw photos before I have to wait a few minutes for the
camera to write its buffer to the card.

Is this normal?

I've seen the ads for the high speed cards, 45x!, 32x!, super fast!,
yadda, yadda, yadda, but do the really work? Will the 5700 actually
write the picture to the card faster on these cards? Is this just
marketing? Or do only the newer cameras take advantage of the high
speed cards? I've been lusting after the 8 megapixel models like the
8700, the digital rebel, and the pentax (I forget the model), so I'm
curious if this is an even worse problem on the bigger data files.

Thanks for any suggestions.



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Old September 14th 04, 03:40 PM
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I have a coolpix 5700 and have used it in RAW mode.
Taking a RAW picture and saving it to the CF card
requires slightly less than 23 seconds.
The CF cards I use are either a Sandisk Ultra II
or an Apacaer Steno Pro.
This gives you an idea about which CF cards are fast enough.
I have a hunch that nominally faster CF card will not run faster on the
5700, but I'll be happy to hear differently.
Note that 23 seconds is much faster than 1 minute.

Phil Schmid


"JS" wrote in message
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Hi,

I have a coolpix 5700 that I'm reasonably happy with, but lately I've
been more and more annoyed at the time it takes to write the raw photo
to the compact flash card. I realize I'm writing almost 7 megs worth
of data, but it's taking what feels like a minute per shot (probably
closer to 30 seconds, I'll admit I haven't timed it). I can also only
take about 3 raw photos before I have to wait a few minutes for the
camera to write its buffer to the card.

Is this normal?

I've seen the ads for the high speed cards, 45x!, 32x!, super fast!,
yadda, yadda, yadda, but do the really work? Will the 5700 actually
write the picture to the card faster on these cards? Is this just
marketing? Or do only the newer cameras take advantage of the high
speed cards? I've been lusting after the 8 megapixel models like the
8700, the digital rebel, and the pentax (I forget the model), so I'm
curious if this is an even worse problem on the bigger data files.

Thanks for any suggestions.






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Old September 14th 04, 03:40 PM
PE Schmid
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I have a coolpix 5700 and have used it in RAW mode.
Taking a RAW picture and saving it to the CF card
requires slightly less than 23 seconds.
The CF cards I use are either a Sandisk Ultra II
or an Apacaer Steno Pro.
This gives you an idea about which CF cards are fast enough.
I have a hunch that nominally faster CF card will not run faster on the
5700, but I'll be happy to hear differently.
Note that 23 seconds is much faster than 1 minute.

Phil Schmid


"JS" wrote in message
om...

Hi,

I have a coolpix 5700 that I'm reasonably happy with, but lately I've
been more and more annoyed at the time it takes to write the raw photo
to the compact flash card. I realize I'm writing almost 7 megs worth
of data, but it's taking what feels like a minute per shot (probably
closer to 30 seconds, I'll admit I haven't timed it). I can also only
take about 3 raw photos before I have to wait a few minutes for the
camera to write its buffer to the card.

Is this normal?

I've seen the ads for the high speed cards, 45x!, 32x!, super fast!,
yadda, yadda, yadda, but do the really work? Will the 5700 actually
write the picture to the card faster on these cards? Is this just
marketing? Or do only the newer cameras take advantage of the high
speed cards? I've been lusting after the 8 megapixel models like the
8700, the digital rebel, and the pentax (I forget the model), so I'm
curious if this is an even worse problem on the bigger data files.

Thanks for any suggestions.






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Old September 14th 04, 04:59 PM
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In article , says
....

I have a coolpix 5700 and have used it in RAW mode.
Taking a RAW picture and saving it to the CF card
requires slightly less than 23 seconds.
The CF cards I use are either a Sandisk Ultra II
or an Apacaer Steno Pro.
This gives you an idea about which CF cards are fast enough.
I have a hunch that nominally faster CF card will not run faster on the
5700, but I'll be happy to hear differently.
Note that 23 seconds is much faster than 1 minute.

Phil Schmid


"JS" wrote in message
om...

Hi,

I have a coolpix 5700 that I'm reasonably happy with, but lately I've
been more and more annoyed at the time it takes to write the raw photo
to the compact flash card. I realize I'm writing almost 7 megs worth
of data, but it's taking what feels like a minute per shot (probably
closer to 30 seconds, I'll admit I haven't timed it). I can also only
take about 3 raw photos before I have to wait a few minutes for the
camera to write its buffer to the card.

Is this normal?

I've seen the ads for the high speed cards, 45x!, 32x!, super fast!,
yadda, yadda, yadda, but do the really work? Will the 5700 actually
write the picture to the card faster on these cards? Is this just
marketing? Or do only the newer cameras take advantage of the high
speed cards? I've been lusting after the 8 megapixel models like the
8700, the digital rebel, and the pentax (I forget the model), so I'm
curious if this is an even worse problem on the bigger data files.

Thanks for any suggestions.


My experience mirror PE Schmid's. With a 40x 1GB card, it's less than 30sec. I
have not tried any 64x+ cards, so I cannot comment there. An assistant's CP
5000 yielded about the same speed with that card. He was astonished at the
quickness. I've read that neither camera can take advantage of the faster
cards, but have seen two which did. There has to be a software limitation
someplace, but it seems to be at, or above 40x. A note, assistant had the
updated firmware for CP5000, but mine is still v1.0.

Just my casual observation,
Hunt - now, if I can just get my battery life up!!!!!!!

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Old September 14th 04, 05:45 PM
Hunt
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In article , says...

In article ,
says
...

I have a coolpix 5700 and have used it in RAW mode.
Taking a RAW picture and saving it to the CF card
requires slightly less than 23 seconds.
The CF cards I use are either a Sandisk Ultra II
or an Apacaer Steno Pro.
This gives you an idea about which CF cards are fast enough.
I have a hunch that nominally faster CF card will not run faster on the
5700, but I'll be happy to hear differently.
Note that 23 seconds is much faster than 1 minute.

Phil Schmid


"JS" wrote in message
om...

Hi,

I have a coolpix 5700 that I'm reasonably happy with, but lately I've
been more and more annoyed at the time it takes to write the raw photo
to the compact flash card. I realize I'm writing almost 7 megs worth
of data, but it's taking what feels like a minute per shot (probably
closer to 30 seconds, I'll admit I haven't timed it). I can also only
take about 3 raw photos before I have to wait a few minutes for the
camera to write its buffer to the card.

Is this normal?

I've seen the ads for the high speed cards, 45x!, 32x!, super fast!,
yadda, yadda, yadda, but do the really work? Will the 5700 actually
write the picture to the card faster on these cards? Is this just
marketing? Or do only the newer cameras take advantage of the high
speed cards? I've been lusting after the 8 megapixel models like the
8700, the digital rebel, and the pentax (I forget the model), so I'm
curious if this is an even worse problem on the bigger data files.

Thanks for any suggestions.


My experience mirror PE Schmid's. With a 40x 1GB card, it's less than 30sec.

I
have not tried any 64x+ cards, so I cannot comment there. An assistant's CP
5000 yielded about the same speed with that card. He was astonished at the
quickness. I've read that neither camera can take advantage of the faster
cards, but have seen two which did. There has to be a software limitation
someplace, but it seems to be at, or above 40x. A note, assistant had the
updated firmware for CP5000, but mine is still v1.0.

Just my casual observation,
Hunt - now, if I can just get my battery life up!!!!!!!


Forgot to add CF is Lexar 1GB 40x
Hunt

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Old September 14th 04, 06:38 PM
Richard Tomkins
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I published my tetsing with three different cards in one of the discussions
last week.

Although the group came to a consensus that high speed cards are not on the
official NIKON list for either the 5700 or 8700, in my tetsing I readily
observed differences of 30 seconds or more between one card and another.
This can only mean that at somepoint the camera does support faster cards,
but what the actual cutoff point is is yet to be determined.

We think that it might be around a 12X card, however, costs are coming down,
so if a 40X card gives you a speed boost, enjoy.

Try to find a dealer that will let you test the card to be sure you are
getting a speed boost.

I cannot find my earlier posting.


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Old September 14th 04, 06:38 PM
Richard Tomkins
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I published my tetsing with three different cards in one of the discussions
last week.

Although the group came to a consensus that high speed cards are not on the
official NIKON list for either the 5700 or 8700, in my tetsing I readily
observed differences of 30 seconds or more between one card and another.
This can only mean that at somepoint the camera does support faster cards,
but what the actual cutoff point is is yet to be determined.

We think that it might be around a 12X card, however, costs are coming down,
so if a 40X card gives you a speed boost, enjoy.

Try to find a dealer that will let you test the card to be sure you are
getting a speed boost.

I cannot find my earlier posting.


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Old September 14th 04, 06:40 PM
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Found it, here are the actual test results I posted last week.I sat down
with my three Compact Flash cards and did some basic timing with
a watch with a seconds hand. This, compared to my previous post, where I had
been estimating time.

Here are my findings.

Shooting at full resoluiton in RAW NEF mode, camera is setup for USB
transfers and I format the card before running the test.

E5700 Firmware version 1.1

Shika Flash Turbo 256MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 45 seconds to store and then release the camera.
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 48 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 2 minutes, 12
seconds.

SanDisk 256MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 30 seconds to store and then release the camera.
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 34 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 1 minute, 26 seconds.

NIKON SanDisk 32MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 25 seconds to store and then release the camera.
format card by camera
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 25 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 1 minute, 6 seconds.

My conclusions from this test is that there is a distinct measurable
difference between the storage times of the three cards that I have and
thier interoperation with the NIKON 5700. I further conclude that I was
misled by the verbage on the Shika card, believing it to be faster and thus
shooting with it most of hte time when I should have been using the SanDisk.

Couple this information wiht that from others and it would seem that the
camera does react to Compact Flash card speed, but as to how much is not
known. NIKON are definately not passing on complete or accurate information
about this camera and the Compact Flash cards. The 8700 is a CoolPIX and if
it does support the Lexar WA, then the NIKON statement that CoolPIX do not
is bogus.

Now on to another question, what settings in the camera could possibly
influence the storage times. I did my tests with my camera set to User Mode
C1, which I have some typical things predefined, possibly these setting are
causing the DSP inside to work on the data before it gets stored or what?

rtt


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Old September 14th 04, 06:40 PM
Richard Tomkins
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Found it, here are the actual test results I posted last week.I sat down
with my three Compact Flash cards and did some basic timing with
a watch with a seconds hand. This, compared to my previous post, where I had
been estimating time.

Here are my findings.

Shooting at full resoluiton in RAW NEF mode, camera is setup for USB
transfers and I format the card before running the test.

E5700 Firmware version 1.1

Shika Flash Turbo 256MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 45 seconds to store and then release the camera.
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 48 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 2 minutes, 12
seconds.

SanDisk 256MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 30 seconds to store and then release the camera.
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 34 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 1 minute, 26 seconds.

NIKON SanDisk 32MB
format card by camera
1 picture takes about 25 seconds to store and then release the camera.
format card by camera
3 pictures taken sequentially, the camera is released for another pricture
at 25 seconds, and a complete release of the camera at 1 minute, 6 seconds.

My conclusions from this test is that there is a distinct measurable
difference between the storage times of the three cards that I have and
thier interoperation with the NIKON 5700. I further conclude that I was
misled by the verbage on the Shika card, believing it to be faster and thus
shooting with it most of hte time when I should have been using the SanDisk.

Couple this information wiht that from others and it would seem that the
camera does react to Compact Flash card speed, but as to how much is not
known. NIKON are definately not passing on complete or accurate information
about this camera and the Compact Flash cards. The 8700 is a CoolPIX and if
it does support the Lexar WA, then the NIKON statement that CoolPIX do not
is bogus.

Now on to another question, what settings in the camera could possibly
influence the storage times. I did my tests with my camera set to User Mode
C1, which I have some typical things predefined, possibly these setting are
causing the DSP inside to work on the data before it gets stored or what?

rtt


 




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