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Portrait of the average American voter...
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"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote: Life will go on. Maybe not. You want to know what really scares me about the future of mankind? It is our rapidly growing ability to genetically engineer ourselves and other creatures. It won't be long before millions of people can create viruses, bacteria, poisons etc. to wipe most of the human population from the face of the earth or target a particular race. Now that scares me way more than a climate change. Yes and the US government has had this ability for 40 years, back in 1970 there was an accident at a government Lab here in MD whereby Anthrax was released. Cattle in a nearby farm field sickened died-it was kept more or less quiet. Now the geography has changed quite a bit and millions of people live in the shadow....of the still operational lab. Very seldom do violent people fail to meet violent deaths.....and its always a two way street. -- "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920. Reality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
Raphael Bustin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:02:21 -0500, "Michael Johnson, PE" wrote: The whole issue is just way too complicated to resolve anytime soon. Climate change will likely not effect me either. I might see another 40 years and by then I still don't know if science will be in a position to definitely predicate climate change. Just like we, and all living things, have adjusted in the past to changes in our world, it will be the same in the future. Life will go on. Life will go on. Yes, most likely. But will Homo Sapiens be part of the mix? There are nearly seven billion of us on the planet now. That's nearly three times the number when I was born. I fear that events will cause a major reduction in that number. Whether it happens by way of war, disease, terrorism, or famine -- I have no idea. I do have the sense that events are accelerating toward an unhappy conclusion to the riddle. We are using technology to allow the unbridled growth of the human population. If it doesn't advance fast enough we will hit a wall one day. The trouble is advancing technology breeds a whole set of problems on its own. I believe that in the end we are no different than rabbits, deer, plankton or any other living organism in that once there are too many of us Mother Nature will self correct. We, as a species, are acting no different than any other. We can multiply unchecked so we do it. There is a bright side though. It appears that once a certain standard of living is achieved by a group they will reduce there numbers. Most advanced nations are seeing their population shrink. Europe, Japan, USA etc. all have a declining domestic population and here in the USA immigration is the only reason for our population growth. The trick is to get the rest of the world to the same point but this will bring other problems. There are no easy answers, apparently. |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
Greg "_" wrote:
In article , "Michael Johnson, PE" wrote: Life will go on. Maybe not. You want to know what really scares me about the future of mankind? It is our rapidly growing ability to genetically engineer ourselves and other creatures. It won't be long before millions of people can create viruses, bacteria, poisons etc. to wipe most of the human population from the face of the earth or target a particular race. Now that scares me way more than a climate change. Yes and the US government has had this ability for 40 years, back in 1970 there was an accident at a government Lab here in MD whereby Anthrax was released. Cattle in a nearby farm field sickened died-it was kept more or less quiet. Now the geography has changed quite a bit and millions of people live in the shadow....of the still operational lab. Very seldom do violent people fail to meet violent deaths.....and its always a two way street. The difference between the past/present and the future is that technology will be in more hands. Fifty years from now whipping up a batch of lethal microbes or an unstoppable virus will be within the capability of too many people. Biological warfare in the future just might make mankind wish for the good old days of thermonuclear war. |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
Greg "_" wrote:
In article , Raphael Bustin wrote: No, it won't be like the movie, but if my understanding is correct, severe climate change has occured in *tens* of years (or less) rather than centuries or millenia. More worrisome, was the National Geographic show I saw recently that predicted a sudden change in the earths magnetic fields. At a point in time which is anyones guess. However: By looking at lava fields and the crystal structure thereof and the orientation of millions of years of volcanic activity the geologist predict that a change of field orientation is well overdue for this historic period. The impact ranges from world wide aura borealis, to huge segments of population dying from gamma exposure. Not to mention failure of electronics and communications systems. It might wreak havoc with some electronics but I don't think a pole shift is catastrophic. Numerous shifts have occurred through history with little apparent damage. Now if the magnetic field ever permanently disappears then we are in deep, deep trouble. Our atmosphere would be ripped into space by the solar winds and breathing would become rather difficult. |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
"MarkČ" wrote:
John Turco wrote: "MarkČ" wrote: http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/69939652/original -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Hello, MarkČ: Why are you insulting our primate pals, anyway? g Ah. I'll apologize to our gorilla friends next time I visit... -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Hello, MarkČ: As long as this thread is on such a political tangent, I should point out that the ape in question is reminiscent of Ronald Reagan's old college chum, Bonzo. G Cordially, John Turco |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote:
heavily edited, for brevity As I stated earlier, we have heard nothing but doomsday predictions from the environmentalists for the last fifty years. We should be dead, or mankind at least on the ropes, several times over if any of it were based in solid scientific fact. When I see a report on climate change that gives all sides, i.e. the good and the bad, then I might take it seriously. Until then, I see this whole debate as nothing more than a political maneuver and a money grab. Hello, Michael: Scientists also say that the earth has undergone drastic climatic shifts, many times, throughout its long history. Plus, they claim, the vast majority of animal species which have ever existed, are now extinct. If those assertions are correct, then how could Man - a relative newcomer to the planet - be to blame for all of this earlier carnage? Such an obvious contradiction shows the arrogance of modern science, in my estimation. Cordially, John Turco |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
John Turco wrote:
"MarkČ" wrote: John Turco wrote: "MarkČ" wrote: http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/69939652/original -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Hello, MarkČ: Why are you insulting our primate pals, anyway? g Ah. I'll apologize to our gorilla friends next time I visit... -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Hello, MarkČ: As long as this thread is on such a political tangent, I should point out that the ape in question is reminiscent of Ronald Reagan's old college chum, Bonzo. G Ah, yes. Perhaps a relation? The secret service wouldn't allow cameras, but I did sketch a quickie prtrait of another little fellow while at the zoo: http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/70077735/original and then there was this guy: http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/37273429/original (We must be fair to both sides, after all...) -MarkČ -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
John Turco wrote:
"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote: heavily edited, for brevity As I stated earlier, we have heard nothing but doomsday predictions from the environmentalists for the last fifty years. We should be dead, or mankind at least on the ropes, several times over if any of it were based in solid scientific fact. When I see a report on climate change that gives all sides, i.e. the good and the bad, then I might take it seriously. Until then, I see this whole debate as nothing more than a political maneuver and a money grab. Hello, Michael: Scientists also say that the earth has undergone drastic climatic shifts, many times, throughout its long history. Plus, they claim, the vast majority of animal species which have ever existed, are now extinct. If those assertions are correct, then how could Man - a relative newcomer to the planet - be to blame for all of this earlier carnage? Such an obvious contradiction shows the arrogance of modern science, in my estimation. Climate scientists can't tell us why we had an active hurricane season last year and a dead one this year. Forget about an accurate prediction for next year. Now why is it they can they predict global climate change 100 years from now but not hurricane activity in the Atlantic a year from now? Most of these climate studies are funded by people or groups that have a political agenda. One just has to dig deep enough to find the connection. My guess is that, in the future, mankind will do what we have always done regarding climate change.... adapt to it. Personally, I feel this is a better course, and much less futile, than trying to direct climate change to our liking. |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:48:01 -0500, "Michael Johnson, PE"
wrote: Most of these climate studies are funded by people or groups that have a political agenda. Please give us a few specific examples of these groups and their agendas. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com |
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Portrait of the average American voter...
Raphael Bustin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:48:01 -0500, "Michael Johnson, PE" wrote: Most of these climate studies are funded by people or groups that have a political agenda. Please give us a few specific examples of these groups and their agendas. Aren't we done with each other on this topic? |
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