Is Your Browser Color Managed?

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

dci-p3 is the emerging standard, with a couple hundred million devices
already out there.

https://www.noteloop.com/kit/display...-space/dci-p3/

"The DCI P3 Color Space is an RGB color space that was introduced in
2007 by the SMPTE. The color space features a color gamut that is
much wider than sRGB. All Digital Cinema Projectors are capable of
displaying the DCI P3 color space in its entirety. As of 2013 there
is only one commercially available monitor capable of displaying
the entire DCI P3 color gamut, the Dolby Professional Reference
Monitor PRM-4200."

Sounds as though it might be a stretch too far for the immediate
future.

this may come to you as a big surprise, but the year is 2017, *not*
2013.

currently, nearly all apple products have a wide gamut dci-p3 display,
including the iphone 7/7+, ipad pro 9.7", imac 4k, imac 5k and macbook
pro '16, as well as products from other companies.



An interesting article. It seems to date from October 2016.
http://www.colourspace.xyz/the-new-a...-colour-gamut/

written by someone who admits he has no clue.

Just because I can¹t see the logic behind Apple¹s gamut choice
doesn¹t mean there isn¹t one from their point of view. Perhaps LG
offered them a good price on the panels?

ludicrous. apple doesn't do things because they get a deal on displays
or some other component.

Perhaps it marks the start
of a wider switch away from sRGB? Could we see P3 iPhones soon?

yep, and ipads too.

I don¹t know.

that much is clear.

I do know that using P3 for the new iMacs muddies the water. When
talking to customers about which monitor to use for colour critical
applications I always warned them off iMacs, even the 4/5K ones,
because they are overly bright, highly reflective, have no quality
standards for uniformity or consistency, and had a small colour
gamut. Now customers are going to come back to me and say that they
are now wide gamut and I will have to further explain that it¹s not
quite the right wide gamut that you need.

in other words, he has no clue.

On May 27, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 27 May 2017 22:46:13 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 27/05/2017 22:34, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 27/05/2017 18:47, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 27/05/2017 17:57, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 27 May 2017 10:59:24 -0400,
wrote:

In , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Another popular bird to photo in Florida is the Sandhill Crane.
Like
the pelican, they're big and you can walk right up to them. They
will
walk (not fly) away from you at a fast pace, though, so it can be
hard
to get a face-on shot like this:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-P...b/X3/2008-10-2
7-X
3.
jpg

We get both the American White, and the Brown pelicans out here.
The Browns are interesting as they go through several color phases
when in
breeding plumage. The American Whites, other than black wingtips with
the
adults, not so much.
This is a not so shy, Brown Pelican.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/igxe51gedjysnms/_DNC0714.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/slibzn9ba62dw6a/_DNC0721.jpg

The clarity and detail in your photographs is amazing! :-)

How far away from the birds were you when you took these photographs?

6-8 ft.
As I said, this guy was not so shy.

Thanks. I'd simply wondered if you had used some form of telephoto lens
to appear to be so close.

Just the Nikkor 18-200mm on my D300S, at130mm for one shot, and 200mm for
the
other.
That close at those focal lengths it behaves like a portrait lens.

I looked he
https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-12-3MP-.../dp/B002JCSV7G

That costs more than an iMac! ;-)

And it's worth every penny.

A D300S+18-200mm at that price, today worth every penny!!!?

For $2200 I could have your D750+ 24-120mm. For $1800 I could have a new D500
body.
That particular Amazon vendor is one of the NYC/NJ vendors to avoid at all
costs.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:04:36 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Not all people see colors the same. There are differences, whether you
admit it or not.

on average they do, something that's been well established for nearly
100 years.

people with colour blindness can be excluded from the masses, however,
they have their own subgroup.

You didn't read the article to which PeterN referred you, did you?

you didn't read the research done 100 years ago and since then.

you're also focused on exceptions, not the norm.

In the matter of color, what I am doing is objecting to your self
appointed definition of the norm.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:13:18 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

dci-p3 is the emerging standard, with a couple hundred million devices
already out there.

https://www.noteloop.com/kit/display...-space/dci-p3/

"The DCI P3 Color Space is an RGB color space that was introduced in
2007 by the SMPTE. The color space features a color gamut that is
much wider than sRGB. All Digital Cinema Projectors are capable of
displaying the DCI P3 color space in its entirety. As of 2013 there
is only one commercially available monitor capable of displaying
the entire DCI P3 color gamut, the Dolby Professional Reference
Monitor PRM-4200."

Sounds as though it might be a stretch too far for the immediate
future.

this may come to you as a big surprise, but the year is 2017, *not*
2013.

currently, nearly all apple products have a wide gamut dci-p3 display,
including the iphone 7/7+, ipad pro 9.7", imac 4k, imac 5k and macbook
pro '16, as well as products from other companies.



An interesting article. It seems to date from October 2016.
http://www.colourspace.xyz/the-new-a...-colour-gamut/

written by someone who admits he has no clue.

Just because I can¹t see the logic behind Apple¹s gamut choice
doesn¹t mean there isn¹t one from their point of view. Perhaps LG
offered them a good price on the panels?

ludicrous. apple doesn't do things because they get a deal on displays
or some other component.

Perhaps it marks the start
of a wider switch away from sRGB? Could we see P3 iPhones soon?

yep, and ipads too.

I don¹t know.

that much is clear.

I do know that using P3 for the new iMacs muddies the water. When
talking to customers about which monitor to use for colour critical
applications I always warned them off iMacs, even the 4/5K ones,
because they are overly bright, highly reflective, have no quality
standards for uniformity or consistency, and had a small colour
gamut. Now customers are going to come back to me and say that they
are now wide gamut and I will have to further explain that it¹s not
quite the right wide gamut that you need.

in other words, he has no clue.

Can you bring yourself to explain why?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Not all people see colors the same. There are differences, whether you
admit it or not.

on average they do, something that's been well established for nearly
100 years.

people with colour blindness can be excluded from the masses, however,
they have their own subgroup.

You didn't read the article to which PeterN referred you, did you?

you didn't read the research done 100 years ago and since then.

you're also focused on exceptions, not the norm.

In the matter of color, what I am doing is objecting to your self
appointed definition of the norm.

ain't my definition.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:



An interesting article. It seems to date from October 2016.
http://www.colourspace.xyz/the-new-a...-colour-gamut/

written by someone who admits he has no clue.

Just because I can¹t see the logic behind Apple¹s gamut choice
doesn¹t mean there isn¹t one from their point of view. Perhaps LG
offered them a good price on the panels?

ludicrous. apple doesn't do things because they get a deal on displays
or some other component.

Perhaps it marks the start
of a wider switch away from sRGB? Could we see P3 iPhones soon?

yep, and ipads too.

I don¹t know.

that much is clear.

I do know that using P3 for the new iMacs muddies the water. When
talking to customers about which monitor to use for colour critical
applications I always warned them off iMacs, even the 4/5K ones,
because they are overly bright, highly reflective, have no quality
standards for uniformity or consistency, and had a small colour
gamut. Now customers are going to come back to me and say that they
are now wide gamut and I will have to further explain that it¹s not
quite the right wide gamut that you need.

in other words, he has no clue.

Can you bring yourself to explain why?

i just did.

On Sat, 27 May 2017 16:35:15 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On May 27, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 27 May 2017 22:46:13 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 27/05/2017 22:34, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 27/05/2017 18:47, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 27/05/2017 17:57, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 27 May 2017 10:59:24 -0400,
wrote:

In , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Another popular bird to photo in Florida is the Sandhill Crane.
Like
the pelican, they're big and you can walk right up to them. They
will
walk (not fly) away from you at a fast pace, though, so it can be
hard
to get a face-on shot like this:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-P...b/X3/2008-10-2
7-X
3.
jpg

We get both the American White, and the Brown pelicans out here.
The Browns are interesting as they go through several color phases
when in
breeding plumage. The American Whites, other than black wingtips with
the
adults, not so much.
This is a not so shy, Brown Pelican.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/igxe51gedjysnms/_DNC0714.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/slibzn9ba62dw6a/_DNC0721.jpg

The clarity and detail in your photographs is amazing! :-)

How far away from the birds were you when you took these photographs?

6-8 ft.
As I said, this guy was not so shy.

Thanks. I'd simply wondered if you had used some form of telephoto lens
to appear to be so close.

Just the Nikkor 18-200mm on my D300S, at130mm for one shot, and 200mm for
the
other.
That close at those focal lengths it behaves like a portrait lens.

I looked he
https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-12-3MP-.../dp/B002JCSV7G

That costs more than an iMac! ;-)

And it's worth every penny.

A D300S+18-200mm at that price, today worth every penny!!!?

For $2200 I could have your D750+ 24-120mm. For $1800 I could have a new D500
body.
That particular Amazon vendor is one of the NYC/NJ vendors to avoid at all
costs.

I wouldn't have a clue about what current US market prices might be.
What I was trying to say was that the D300s is a damned good camera.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On May 27, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 27 May 2017 16:35:15 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On May 27, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 27 May 2017 22:46:13 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 27/05/2017 22:34, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 27/05/2017 18:47, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 27/05/2017 17:57, Savageduck wrote:
On May 27, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 27 May 2017 10:59:24 -0400,
wrote:

In , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Another popular bird to photo in Florida is the Sandhill Crane.
Like
the pelican, they're big and you can walk right up to them. They
will
walk (not fly) away from you at a fast pace, though, so it can
be
hard
to get a face-on shot like this:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-P...1bb/X3/2008-10
-2
7-X
3.
jpg

We get both the American White, and the Brown pelicans out here.
The Browns are interesting as they go through several color phases
when in
breeding plumage. The American Whites, other than black wingtips with
the
adults, not so much.
This is a not so shy, Brown Pelican.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/igxe51gedjysnms/_DNC0714.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/slibzn9ba62dw6a/_DNC0721.jpg

The clarity and detail in your photographs is amazing! :-)

How far away from the birds were you when you took these photographs?

6-8 ft.
As I said, this guy was not so shy.

Thanks. I'd simply wondered if you had used some form of telephoto lens
to appear to be so close.

Just the Nikkor 18-200mm on my D300S, at130mm for one shot, and 200mm for
the
other.
That close at those focal lengths it behaves like a portrait lens.

I looked he
https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-12-3MP-...G/dp/B002JCSV7
G

That costs more than an iMac! ;-)

And it's worth every penny.

A D300S+18-200mm at that price, today worth every penny!!!?

For $2200 I could have your D750+ 24-120mm. For $1800 I could have a new
D500 body.
That particular Amazon vendor is one of the NYC/NJ vendors to avoid at all
costs.

I wouldn't have a clue about what current US market prices might be.

If you wouldn’t have a clue about current US market prices might be, why
would you say that it is worth every penny at that price?
If you could find a new D300S in NZ what would it cost in Auckland?

What I was trying to say was that the D300s is a damned good camera.

Then that is what you should have said.

We both know the D300S is a damn good camera, but not for that price today,
and even you moved on because of the promise of better things for you with
FF.I moved on because Nikon was dragging its heels to release an APS-C
successor to the D300S, and there were lesser cameras with better specs and
performance. They released the D500 months after I made my move to the
Fujifilm X-Series mirrorless. Now I have no plans to return to Nikon.

I paid $1500 for my D300S body in January 2010 and I still have it, and
occassionally use it. I would place a used value on my D300S at $500-$350. I
am doubtful that there is a new, boxed D300S held in inventory anywhere. So
when I see an offer of a D300S + 18-200mm VRII for $2500, my scam alert
antenna becomes ultra sensitive. That is a price I doubt you would be willing
to pay. If you do buy it from that particular vendor, don’t be surprised if
there is no battery, or battery charger in the package, and when you contact
the thug in the store he will tell you that the battery and charger are
extra.

For less than that $2500 I could have a D750+lens, or even a D500 from B&H.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 3:12:55 AM UTC-4, gray_wolf wrote:
Interesting but page is 5 years old

https://petapixel.com/2012/06/25/is-...color-managed/

Hi,
I have one old and 2 new HP laptops, with color set at sRGB. The colors on screen are fine with the old one, but with the 2 new ones, the colors have a yellow-orange cast and the highlights are blown out.Running Windows 7, 7 and 10. Strangely enough, all 3 print well.

How can I easily calibrate the colors and contrast in the 2 new ones? My old laptop is slowly dying, and I really need to switch to the new ones. I do not have an external monitor

Thanks.
Mort Linder

On May 27, 2017, wrote
(in ):

On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 3:12:55 AM UTC-4, gray_wolf wrote:
Interesting but page is 5 years old

https://petapixel.com/2012/06/25/is-...color-managed/

Hi,
I have one old and 2 new HP laptops, with color set at sRGB. The colors on
screen are fine with the old one, but with the 2 new ones, the colors have a
yellow-orange cast and the highlights are blown out.Running Windows 7, 7 and
10. Strangely enough, all 3 print well.

How can I easily calibrate the colors and contrast in the 2 new ones? My old
laptop is slowly dying, and I really need to switch to the new ones. I do not
have an external monitor

Thanks.
Mort Linder

I have to start with the caveat that my Windows knowledge is limited. I am
assuming that you haven’t considered buying a calibration system, either
X-Rite or Datacolor (they are available via B&H, or Amazon.

If my assumption is correct I would say that both of the new laptops have an
incorrect, warm color temperature setting and a low gamma setting. Check with
your display settings configuration make sure you are using the sRGB profile,
and set the color temperature to D65, or 6500. Then set the gamma value to
2.2.

If I am not mistaken Windows machines should have some sort of “Wizard�
to lead you through making display adjustments. That should help making
contrast and brightness adjustments. If you can, use it, if not RTFM, or get
some outside help to calibrate them properly.

--

Regards,
Savageduck