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how would you have made this picture better?
lol first of all by mistake I posted this in the support group were my trolls come from. So I guess my trolls that post here will know for sure and more will come. Sorry one of the pictures that gave me a lot of trouble yesterday is on the link below. if anyone is willing I would love to know how you would have made this picture better with out using any of the apartments lighting. I wish I knew how to include the metadata with the pictures so I typed it in on the web site. if you know how I can do that please tell. I will be using Photoshop elements 4.0 for edit Also I would like to include a links page for those of you with web sites. So also please include if I can put your link on my page. http://www.takebetterpix.com/pictures.html thank you JSM OOO helll. My name is Tom I don't know how the hell I did that |
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how would you have made this picture better?
"Just Shoot Me" wrote in message
news:0yDKi.2492$WT2.256@trndny05... lol first of all by mistake I posted this in the support group were my trolls come from. So I guess my trolls that post here will know for sure and more will come. Sorry one of the pictures that gave me a lot of trouble yesterday is on the link below. if anyone is willing I would love to know how you would have made this picture better with out using any of the apartments lighting. I wish I knew how to include the metadata with the pictures so I typed it in on the web site. if you know how I can do that please tell. I will be using Photoshop elements 4.0 for edit Also I would like to include a links page for those of you with web sites. So also please include if I can put your link on my page. http://www.takebetterpix.com/pictures.html thank you JSM OOO helll. My name is Tom I don't know how the hell I did that I think I would have went for a subject that was a little more interesting. Otherwise it looks like a typical indoor shot. Of camera flash might have improved the lighting. Doing as an HDR might have worked well so that everything was exposed right including the stuff outside the window. For what it is its ok, it just a really boring and I dare say pointless photo. Unless of course your trying to sell the house. Somebody! |
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how would you have made this picture better?
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:18:52 GMT, Just Shoot Me wrote:
one of the pictures that gave me a lot of trouble yesterday is on the link below. if anyone is willing I would love to know how you would have made this picture better with out using any of the apartments lighting. I wish I knew how to include the metadata with the pictures so I typed it in on the web site. if you know how I can do that please tell. I will be using Photoshop elements 4.0 for edit Were there any problems other than with the lighting? If you're trying to produce beautiful pictures for a future coffee-table book there's much room for improvement. But if the picture is intended just to show off the apartment for prospective buyers, it's not too bad. I used Irfanview, which can easily copy the EXIF data to Window's clipboard, but not from pictures on the website, since the EXIF data wasn't included. The only thing I used Irfanview for was to use it to apply a bit of gamma correction, which improved the dark areas. Not much was lost in the overly bright area near the window since it was already blown. You may not want to use the apartment's lighting, but uneven lighting will be your biggest problem. Not relying on apartment lighting is probably a good idea, since it can vary greatly from apartment to apartment, and cause color balance problems. A couple of small portable speedlights would probably be a big help, and I wouldn't want to rely too much on photo-editing to compensate for uneven lighting. If any prospective buyers ask if your pictures were "Photoshopped", they'd probably be much happier to hear you answer "no". They'd probably have no concerns if you told them that some additional lighting was used when taking the picture. One thing that surprised me was the photo's relative lack of sharpness. Even at f/22 I'd have thought that the picture would have been crisper. How stable was the camera? Could anything have disturbed it during the 30 second exposure, such as slight wind currents in the room, or induced vibrations resulting from walking near the camera? What support was used, if not a good tripod? |
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"Somebody" wrote in message ... I think I would have went for a subject that was a little more interesting. Otherwise it looks like a typical indoor shot. Of camera flash might have improved the lighting. Doing as an HDR might have worked well so that everything was exposed right including the stuff outside the window. For what it is its ok, it just a really boring and I dare say pointless photo. Unless of course your trying to sell the house. Somebody! Yes, that apartment is about as appealing as Oscar De La Hoya wearing women's clothes. and I am in real estate. good news is that is not my apartment bad news is I have to make it look its best. I was just looking at some pictures that used HDR is this something that can be done with Photoshop elements 4.0? I think I have to upgrade to 5.0 so I can use camera raw. the pictures that I looked at were what I would call beautiful. I guess a book on HDR is also something I should get. Thank you Tom |
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how would you have made this picture better?
"ASAAR" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:18:52 GMT, Just Shoot Me wrote: one of the pictures that gave me a lot of trouble yesterday is on the link below. if anyone is willing I would love to know how you would have made this picture better with out using any of the apartments lighting. I wish I knew how to include the metadata with the pictures so I typed it in on the web site. if you know how I can do that please tell. I will be using Photoshop elements 4.0 for edit Were there any problems other than with the lighting? If you're trying to produce beautiful pictures for a future coffee-table book there's much room for improvement. But if the picture is intended just to show off the apartment for prospective buyers, it's not too bad. I used Irfanview, which can easily copy the EXIF data to Window's clipboard, but not from pictures on the website, since the EXIF data wasn't included. The only thing I used Irfanview for was to use it to apply a bit of gamma correction, which improved the dark areas. Not much was lost in the overly bright area near the window since it was already blown. You may not want to use the apartment's lighting, but uneven lighting will be your biggest problem. Not relying on apartment lighting is probably a good idea, since it can vary greatly from apartment to apartment, and cause color balance problems. A couple of small portable speedlights would probably be a big help, and I wouldn't want to rely too much on photo-editing to compensate for uneven lighting. If any prospective buyers ask if your pictures were "Photoshopped", they'd probably be much happier to hear you answer "no". They'd probably have no concerns if you told them that some additional lighting was used when taking the picture. One thing that surprised me was the photo's relative lack of sharpness. Even at f/22 I'd have thought that the picture would have been crisper. How stable was the camera? Could anything have disturbed it during the 30 second exposure, such as slight wind currents in the room, or induced vibrations resulting from walking near the camera? What support was used, if not a good tripod? besides the lighting the apartment is ugly. wow I would love one day for my pics to be in a mag but no I am into real estate. everyapartment has a few different kinds of lighting. sometimes a room with have 2 kinds of dim lighting ( more times thanyou are thinking right now) If possible I would love to be independent of the apartments lights and just use either the windows or 580EX II with a few slave flashes. also learn more about what Floyd was talking about with when working with flash ( Floyd and others ). good point about being able to say no Photoshop but as you can see the kitchen looks a little narrow and I do correct things like that in Photoshop ( its the only way I know how.) I took a lot of pictures in that room and while yes sometimes on long exposures I walk near or even touched the tri pod I cant tell for sure about that picture. I will try to do better. My tri pod sux. but sorry to say that both my dogs need dental work done and they are going in tomorrow. its a rush job because their teeth are pretty bad and they both have bad kidneys so it has to be done asap before the kidneys get worse. about a month or so ago I lost my oldest dog which was 18 years old . its sad that the other 2 will be gone soon as they were with my wife and I since we were married and are part of the family. I am actually cooking a low protein meal for them right now if you or anyone ever needs a good recipe for dogs I will be happy to help. I babbled.. sorry. thanks again. Tom |
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Just Shoot Me wrote: [ ... ] .. but sorry to say that both my dogs need dental work done and they are going in tomorrow. its a rush job because their teeth are pretty bad and they both have bad kidneys so it has to be done asap before the kidneys get worse. about a month or so ago I lost my oldest dog which was 18 years old . its sad that the other 2 will be gone soon as they were with my wife and I since we were married and are part of the family. I am actually cooking a low protein meal for them right now if you or anyone ever needs a good recipe for dogs I will be happy to help. I babbled.. sorry. Sorry to know about your recent and future losses. It's sad that we have to outlive our animal companions. In my long and comfortable life, loss of dogs has been one of the major discomforts, more than a dozen episodes by now, and another likely in the next few years. I'm not certain if it's been mentioned, but a common technique for indoor shooting with intruding outdoor light is to make two exposures from the same position, one for inside light, the other for outside. Overlay the two, indoor on top, and erase the indoor area where the valid outdoor information appears. It may not make the apartment more beautiful, but it will surely un-dramatize the glare. Of course you run the risk of showing an unattractive view from the windows. I'd experiment with a lower viewpoint for the camera on those wide-angles with long vistas. Drop it down a foot and see if you like the perspective better. If you are average height for a man, remember that half or more of home-shoppers are female and a bit shorter. Alternatively, raise it up to an exaggerated level. That way it will be an obvious distortion and while it may make things look different - maybe even more attractive - the expectation of correspondence with reality will be diminished, and the viewers who actually go to the place will explain it away themselves. Kind, strong and healing thoughts going out for your dogs. -- Frank ess |
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how would you have made this picture better?
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:37:19 GMT, Just Shoot Me wrote:
besides the lighting the apartment is ugly. wow I would love one day for my pics to be in a mag but no I am into real estate. I know, from previous threads. My point was that for your purposes, photo perfection isn't a reasonable or desirable goal. I didn't know if that's what your were aiming for was since you didn't say very much about why you weren't pleased by the photo. everyapartment has a few different kinds of lighting. sometimes a room with have 2 kinds of dim lighting ( more times thanyou are thinking right now) If possible I would love to be independent of the apartments lights and just use either the windows or 580EX II with a few slave flashes. also learn more about what Floyd was talking about with when working with flash ( Floyd and others ). good point about being able to say no Photoshop but as you can see the kitchen looks a little narrow and I do correct things like that in Photoshop ( its the only way I know how.) Well, you know your business better than I do, but making such "fixes" could be counterproductive. First, I'd think that the best fix would be to change the perspective by playing with a different camera position and lens focal length, than by using Photoshop. And since practically nobody would sign a lease based only on seeing pictures of the apartment, I'd rather have a poorer picture generate less initial interest in the apartment, but have the prospective buyer's expectations exceeded when visiting the apartment than to have a better looking photo, only to disappoint when the prospective buyer gets a chance to visit the apartment. |
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how would you have made this picture better?
"Just Shoot Me" wrote in message news:0yDKi.2492$WT2.256@trndny05... lol first of all by mistake I posted this in the support group were my trolls come from. So I guess my trolls that post here will know for sure and more will come. Sorry one of the pictures that gave me a lot of trouble yesterday is on the link below. if anyone is willing I would love to know how you would have made this picture better with out using any of the apartments lighting. I wish I knew how to include the metadata with the pictures so I typed it in on the web site. if you know how I can do that please tell. I will be using Photoshop elements 4.0 for edit Also I would like to include a links page for those of you with web sites. So also please include if I can put your link on my page. http://www.takebetterpix.com/pictures.html thank you I used a plug-in called "Flo's filters" from France to correct the pincushion error as much as it could be and then I used his "undistort" tool to correct the perspective error which is caused by not having the camera exactly at 90 degrees to the vertical lines. Then I applied a "fill light effect" with the shadow highlights tool of Photoshop. PS Elements has a function called "fill flash" for that purpose. SO I'd expect Elements can use PS plugins... $40 or so for the tools and the best investment you'll ever make for that wide angle lens of yours. Doug |
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"Just Shoot Me" wrote in message
news:_2FKi.6222$Pc3.212@trndny09... "Somebody" wrote in message ... I think I would have went for a subject that was a little more interesting. Otherwise it looks like a typical indoor shot. Of camera flash might have improved the lighting. Doing as an HDR might have worked well so that everything was exposed right including the stuff outside the window. For what it is its ok, it just a really boring and I dare say pointless photo. Unless of course your trying to sell the house. Somebody! Yes, that apartment is about as appealing as Oscar De La Hoya wearing women's clothes. and I am in real estate. good news is that is not my apartment bad news is I have to make it look its best. I was just looking at some pictures that used HDR is this something that can be done with Photoshop elements 4.0? I think I have to upgrade to 5.0 so I can use camera raw. the pictures that I looked at were what I would call beautiful. I guess a book on HDR is also something I should get. Thank you Tom Elements doesn't do HDR. The full version of Photoshop does. But, that is expensive even as an upgrade to PSE. I would look at http://www.hdrsoft.com. They have some good software. You will also need to use a tripod when shooting. Basically you shoot at least 3 shots. One under exposed (dark), one exposed correctly and one over exposed (too light). These are then combined using the software in to one high bit image that is supposed to be properly exposed. I am not a fan of HDR as I think it looks like a painting. However, for this application I think it is the right option. If your camera can do bracketing (most can) then use that. If your lucky you can do 5 bracketed photos (less common) otherwise you do three (more common). Somebody! |
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On Sep 26, 9:18 pm, "Just Shoot Me" wrote:
lol first of all by mistake I posted this in the support group were my trolls come from. So I guess my trolls that post here will know for sure and more will come. Sorry one of the pictures that gave me a lot of trouble yesterday is on the link below. if anyone is willing I would love to know how you would have made this picture better with out using any of the apartments lighting. I wish I knew how to include the metadata with the pictures so I typed it in on the web site. if you know how I can do that please tell. I will be using Photoshop elements 4.0 for edit Also I would like to include a links page for those of you with web sites. So also please include if I can put your link on my page. http://www.takebetterpix.com/pictures.html thank you JSM OOO helll. My name is Tom I don't know how the hell I did that Tom, like usual I am in the minority here. First off you need to do two things. First, correct the parallax and then you need to light it up. A couple of flashes will probably do it. Then you can get a technically perfect, ugly picture that you won't be happy with. To be happy, you need about 4 magic boxes -- probably bigger than a photocopy paper box. Take the magic boxes (you can get them at any magic box store) into the apartment with you. Open the first magic box and jam if full of all of the crap in the apartment -- the blue cups, the dirty dishes, the stuff on the refrigerator, the stuff on the refrigerator door, whatever the white cord is on the floor and everything else that's not tied down. When that box is full, put the rest into the second box. Now open the third magic box and take out a quart of paint that matches the back wall on the hallway and paint the darn wall. Paint the whole thing and cover up the patches. Put the paint away for future use. Now out of the 3rd and 4th magic boxes, take the stuff you are going to use to stage the apartment: the fern for the floor, the ceramic vase and candle for the counter, a picture for the wall near the phone, something for the top of the refrigerator, and whatever else you need. You don't want much. Finally, take out a sponge and wash that floor. Then wax it so it shines. A dead cat in front the fridge might be nice, too. Now go to the window and open it up, all of the way. Out of your magic box take the last thing -- a curtain for the window. Something nice, but simple. Put on the counter for future use. Now clean the window. Now open the window all the way. Take the 4 magic boxes and push them out the window so they are out of your way. Close the window, install the curtain, set up your lighting and you're ready to shoot. The problem isn't the picture, it is the subject. So go watch some home improvement shows and see how to stage the apartment. |
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