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Savageduck escribió:

There are some of us who have actually made the comparison, and GIMP is
lacking, and comes up short when compared with PS CS3/4/5/6 & and
event the latest versions of PSE.

Have you tried Gimp 2.8?

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In article , Pablo
wrote:

There are some of us who have actually made the comparison, and GIMP is
lacking, and comes up short when compared with PS CS3/4/5/6 & and
event the latest versions of PSE.

Have you tried Gimp 2.8?

still not even close to photoshop.

On 2012.09.02 10:55 , tony cooper wrote:

It's a natural tendency for users of a product - whether it is a brand
of automobile, brand of computer, or brand of software - to be sure
that their product is the best choice. We do this in order to
convince ourselves that we are smart people who make good choices. I
don't think it's necessary to try to convince others, though...unless
they ask for recommendations.

Your points are not invalid but they ignore an aspect of the freeware
movement that is part valorous and part zealotry to bring the one true
faith of Linux, The Gimp and Libre Office to the unwashed masses.

It is commonly observed that those with such missions in heart do not
reason particularly well.

Three keywords above are, er, key.


--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.

On 2012-09-02 07:41:29 -0700, Pablo said:

Savageduck escribió:

There are some of us who have actually made the comparison, and GIMP is
lacking, and comes up short when compared with PS CS3/4/5/6 & and
event the latest versions of PSE.

Have you tried Gimp 2.8?

No. The versions I tried were earlier, and I have had little reason to
investigate further as I own and use CS5 & LR4. I have checked the
feature set, and I will possibly look at the latest version sometime.

As a matter of interest and fair play I will check it out today.
Perhaps you should try the trial version of CS6.

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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2012-09-02 08:14:32 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2012.09.02 10:55 , tony cooper wrote:

It's a natural tendency for users of a product - whether it is a brand
of automobile, brand of computer, or brand of software - to be sure
that their product is the best choice. We do this in order to
convince ourselves that we are smart people who make good choices. I
don't think it's necessary to try to convince others, though...unless
they ask for recommendations.

Your points are not invalid but they ignore an aspect of the freeware
movement that is part valorous and part zealotry to bring the one true
faith of Linux, The Gimp and Libre Office to the unwashed masses.

It is commonly observed that those with such missions in heart do not
reason particularly well.

Three keywords above are, er, key.

Exactly.

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Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck wrote:

On 2012-08-29 15:46:38 -0700, "Russell D." said:

On 08/28/2012 05:43 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
I received an advert via e-mail that Elements 10 is $40 off.

Code is: ELEMENTSDEAL (online or call center).

US and Canada (except Quebec for reasons that escape me).

Sorry this is so late - just opened my mail;


GIMP is still free.

Free, and after making the comparison with PS, it still sits unused on
my computer.
GIMP does a reasonable job for those who deny the functionality of
CS5/6, or those who insist of "free". You do get what you pay for.
After making the basic comparison and saying that they are both capable
of editing and adjusting image files, there is no contest. CS3/4/5/6
are all far superior to GIMP.

...but GIMP is "free".

righto then, I'll ask the specific question. What, can you achieve with your
ps/cs whatever that I cannot with my gimp. I haven't used ps since version 6
10 or 12 years ago and I don't see any of you avid ps users posting any pics
that could not be processed using gimp.


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sid
RLU 300284
2010.2

On 2012-09-02 08:20:22 -0700, Savageduck said:

On 2012-09-02 07:41:29 -0700, Pablo said:

Savageduck escribió:

There are some of us who have actually made the comparison, and GIMP is
lacking, and comes up short when compared with PS CS3/4/5/6 & and
event the latest versions of PSE.

Have you tried Gimp 2.8?

No. The versions I tried were earlier, and I have had little reason to
investigate further as I own and use CS5 & LR4. I have checked the
feature set, and I will possibly look at the latest version sometime.

As a matter of interest and fair play I will check it out today.
Perhaps you should try the trial version of CS6.

Paul,
That was a disruptive use of resetting the "Follow-up To" header.
Particularly since you made no notification of the change. So I have
fixed that.

I downloaded GIMP 2.8 as I said I would, and I maintain the opinion I
expressed in my prior post. When compared with any version of
Photoshop, Lightroom, or PSE, GIMP does not cut the mustard and I have
no reason to use it instead of CS5.

Here is a screen shot of GIMP up and running on my Mac, just to show I
was not BSing on that point.
http://db.tt/zfkIq3yM

Now I suggest you make a similar comparison.


FU reset.

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Regards,

Savageduck

Alan Browne wrote:

Your points are not invalid but they ignore an aspect of the freeware
movement that is part valorous and part zealotry to bring the one true
faith of Linux, The Gimp and Libre Office to the unwashed masses.

What, you don't think that's the case with your and others mad zealotry over
your wonder macs and adobe software?

It is commonly observed that those with such missions in heart do not
reason particularly well.

well that's true enough


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sid
RLU 300284
2010.2

On 2012-09-02 08:51:15 -0700, sid said:

Savageduck wrote:

On 2012-08-29 15:46:38 -0700, "Russell D." said:

On 08/28/2012 05:43 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
I received an advert via e-mail that Elements 10 is $40 off.

Code is: ELEMENTSDEAL (online or call center).

US and Canada (except Quebec for reasons that escape me).

Sorry this is so late - just opened my mail;


GIMP is still free.

Free, and after making the comparison with PS, it still sits unused on
my computer.
GIMP does a reasonable job for those who deny the functionality of
CS5/6, or those who insist of "free". You do get what you pay for.
After making the basic comparison and saying that they are both capable
of editing and adjusting image files, there is no contest. CS3/4/5/6
are all far superior to GIMP.

...but GIMP is "free".

righto then, I'll ask the specific question. What, can you achieve with your
ps/cs whatever that I cannot with my gimp. I haven't used ps since version 6
10 or 12 years ago and I don't see any of you avid ps users posting any pics
that could not be processed using gimp.

Certainly PS-6 was in the distant past and CS6 has moved way beyond
what PS-6 offered.
Regarding differences between the two regarding what you might need to
produce the images you do, you will probably get by without being
limited by RGB & Gray Scale as color space choices. You will probably
manage without content aware fill/correction. You will probably never
miss adjustment layers, or "Smart Objects". Most importantly there is
probably no convincing you that these are just a few of the features
available with what I use CS5, which you will find useless, but you
have never tried any of them because the are not replicated in any way
with your GIMP. CS6 has even more to offer.

So my suggestion is to actually check out what Adobe has to say about
their product & its new features, and download and examine CS6 for
yourself:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photos...es_sl_new.html


I also find working with GIMP awkward, but that is a personal issue, as
I have said if you are comfortable using GIMP, who am I to criticize
you choice, i just feel that CS5/6 is the better, more capable piece of
software.
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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2012.09.02 11:51 , sid wrote:

righto then, I'll ask the specific question. What, can you achieve with your
ps/cs whatever that I cannot with my gimp. I haven't used ps since version 6
10 or 12 years ago and I don't see any of you avid ps users posting any pics
that could not be processed using gimp.

I personally can't point directly to that, but even in my most recent
tests of the Gimp, here are four reasons why it is not preferred for me:

First off, when I open a raw file in GIMP v. PS CS5, it takes 2X as long
for UFraw to open the file and then about 4X longer for the GIMP to open
it after UFraw. That is tedious when you have dozens of photos to
evaluate and process. Time matters to me. I'll eventually upgrade my
computer and it will improve. Moreso for PS.

Secondly, except for HDR (which I don't do much) I do most of my
exposure, brightness, blackpoint and colour adjustment in PS raw. The
facilities for this in UFraw are crude and not very intuitive - and
poorly laid out (IMO). (Note my copy of Ufraw is long in the tooth,
0.16, maybe it's been improved).

Thirdly, I can't seem to open more that one file into Gimp's raw engine
at a time. So while I have a set of similarly subject matter under the
same lighting, I can't set them in raw concurrently (it does keep the
recent setting for the next photo but my setting decisions may be
aggregated in PS raw with all the photos present at any time. eg: I
examine and fine tune one setting for many photos at a time). So I can
go into finder and select any number of images to open raw, but UFraw
does them serially. PS raw import opens them all at once. This is
important to work flow (which is faster on PS in any case).

Fourthly, USM preview in photoshop allows me to preview evaluate the
effect on the whole image, not just a tiny preview screen. This is
important because edge contrast is different in different parts of the
image and what may be just right in one area is too much elsewhere.

As a nit, The Gimp (running under X11) doesn't follow the keyboard
shortcut conventions of OS X - that too slows me down.

If I used the Gimp more I'm sure I'd find other things that just
indicate further its 2nd ratedness.

BTW, next time you set FU for a thread that hasn't drastically changed
scope you'll be transferred to my KF.

--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.