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"Allen Worthington" wrote in message
... If you're partial to Nikon and can wait six months or so, Nikon plans to release a lower priced SLR using the same 6mp sensor as the D100. John Wait for the Nikon. They are far superior when it comes to lens selection than Canon ever was. I would spring for the D100 if you can swing it. I am not sure about the "far superior" remark. Nikkor lenses may have a slight edge over Canon in terms of selection (maybe even quality as some people would argue), but not by much. Nikkors are more expensive that I know. If you are willing to go third parties, then there are plenty of selections with either brand. |
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"Mon11" wrote in message om... "dfp" wrote in message ... The Fuji is crap. Nothing compares to the 717 short of the Rebel. I second the F717 comment. -mon11 That would be a good choice, at least better than Fuji. |
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Subject: Best 5 - 6 MP current model
From: "Q. Lu" Date: 12/10/03 5:13 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "Mon11" wrote in message . com... "dfp" wrote in message ... The Fuji is crap. Nothing compares to the 717 short of the Rebel. I second the F717 comment. -mon11 That would be a good choice, at least better than Fuji. What do you think of the Kodak stuff? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Fuji S7000 is never crap if you know how to use a camera. It is not
clearly for point and shooters where the default settings are the only ones used. The S7000 is quite capable even compared to the F717. My friend has the S7000 and I have the F717 but I would not recommend it because of its bulkiness and proprietary choice and use of batteries and memory cards. Sony just kills consumers with their accessory prices. On the other hand, The s7000 can be had for as low as U$550.00. Its main attraction is that it is is capable of huge (poster size)36X40 inches printouts from its 12MP. I saw the printout done at a local Kodak processing centeer and it was really amazingly sharp and vivid. I had the S7000 for a couple of days and it is so simple to use and very ergonomic. It just molds in your hands. Fuji has been known for producing very accurate color and the S7000 is very much capable of that. The Sony, while no doubt that it can also produce excellent photos, it is on the other hand very awkward to use because of its body style. YOu need both hands always although the tiltable and swinging body does have its merits along with its capability to shoot in total darkness. Try to reasearch in dpreview.com and interact with all the "users" in the forums. You will get much more objective review of the cameras you are considering. "dfp" wrote in message ... The Fuji is crap. Nothing compares to the 717 short of the Rebel. The Fuji FinePix S7000 is a camera with a lot of potential that was ultimately a let down in the image quality department. In what seems to be a trend lately on their cameras, Fuji is processing and compressing their images to death, causing higher than average noise and other digital junk. I can live with a little "grain" in images, but when it starts eating away at details, it's too much. "Bill" wrote in message news:wToBb.49754$dO2.1986@lakeread03... Fuji S7000. Almost no shutter lag. Also has 12MP option for larger prints, best movie mose of all, best super macro and good zoom. Also has a unique "last 5" continuous mode that is really a nice feature. Bill "The Spectre" wrote in message news Opinions on new digital camera purchase; Nikon 5700 Minolta DiMAGE A1 FujiFilm S7000 I sold my n90s and am going digital and want a high quality but simpler system than my n90s and lenses offered. Mostly landscape, sports and family photos. I want as little shutter lag as possible and ocassionlly enlarge a good print. Thanks |
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This kind of comments really helps. I am sure you didnt even use the
S7000. You just rely on early production reviews. May i suggest going over to dpreview and check if the S7000 is indeed a crappy digicam. From what I heard, this camera is not bad at all, it just needs the operator to really know what he is doing. Default settings are not the best settings. I dont have the s7000 but I do have the Sony F717 but i wouldnt not recommend it because Sony murders the consumers with their proprietary use of exhorbitantly priced accessories. "dfp" wrote in message ... The Fuji is crap. Nothing compares to the 717 short of the Rebel. The Fuji FinePix S7000 is a camera with a lot of potential that was ultimately a let down in the image quality department. In what seems to be a trend lately on their cameras, Fuji is processing and compressing their images to death, causing higher than average noise and other digital junk. I can live with a little "grain" in images, but when it starts eating away at details, it's too much. "Bill" wrote in message news:wToBb.49754$dO2.1986@lakeread03... Fuji S7000. Almost no shutter lag. Also has 12MP option for larger prints, best movie mose of all, best super macro and good zoom. Also has a unique "last 5" continuous mode that is really a nice feature. Bill "The Spectre" wrote in message news Opinions on new digital camera purchase; Nikon 5700 Minolta DiMAGE A1 FujiFilm S7000 I sold my n90s and am going digital and want a high quality but simpler system than my n90s and lenses offered. Mostly landscape, sports and family photos. I want as little shutter lag as possible and ocassionlly enlarge a good print. Thanks |
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From what I heard, this camera is not bad at all, it just needs the
operator to really know what he is doing. Default settings are not the best settings. From what you heard???????? The photos are noisy as hell and overcompressed. You're an idiot. |
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It's pretty silly to take someone to task for "possibly" quoting hearsay and
then closing with a statement starting with "From what I've heard". Presumably your photo skills are better than your reasoning skills. At the risk of being burned at the stake for my own heretical opinion, I'll venture that anyone truly serious about photography should first consider companies with a significant history of designing and building serious cameras and not film companies or consumer electronis outfits who try to assemble them from other peoples parts. Which would lead me to look at Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Olympus and Pentax and away from Kodak, Sony, Fuji, Casio, HP, Panasonic, Toshiba, Samsung. OTOH, I couldn't agree more that Sony continues to try and lock people into their proprietary memory sticks, just like they've done before with products like Betamax and MD disks. They've always been great innovators with killer products like the VCR, Walkman, Vaio notebook computers and most recently in the Palm OS world, but they really don't want to fit in with anyone else. I think they are as much to blame as any other single company for there not being a unified DVDR standard either, although they can share some of the blame there with a few others. Tom P. "Wolverine" wrote in message From what I heard, this camera is not bad at all, it just needs the operator to really know what he is doing. Default settings are not the best settings. |
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Fuji has a history of designing amd building serious cameras. They also
happen to make some of the finest film in the world. Bill "Tom Pfeiffer" wrote in message ... It's pretty silly to take someone to task for "possibly" quoting hearsay and then closing with a statement starting with "From what I've heard". Presumably your photo skills are better than your reasoning skills. At the risk of being burned at the stake for my own heretical opinion, I'll venture that anyone truly serious about photography should first consider companies with a significant history of designing and building serious cameras and not film companies or consumer electronis outfits who try to assemble them from other peoples parts. Which would lead me to look at Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Olympus and Pentax and away from Kodak, Sony, Fuji, Casio, HP, Panasonic, Toshiba, Samsung. OTOH, I couldn't agree more that Sony continues to try and lock people into their proprietary memory sticks, just like they've done before with products like Betamax and MD disks. They've always been great innovators with killer products like the VCR, Walkman, Vaio notebook computers and most recently in the Palm OS world, but they really don't want to fit in with anyone else. I think they are as much to blame as any other single company for there not being a unified DVDR standard either, although they can share some of the blame there with a few others. Tom P. "Wolverine" wrote in message From what I heard, this camera is not bad at all, it just needs the operator to really know what he is doing. Default settings are not the best settings. |
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1) You may hate the shape of Sony F707/717/828, but many people love it. If
you have only used P&S, then it is bulky, but if you are like me, used to use SLR, then F717 is pretty small. Look, you can not get that fast a lens with only internal movement on a smaller body. 2) memory sticks are cheap nowadays. And you can get a image tanker kind of stuff and get 20 gig of memory for less than $150. For battery, go to eBay. The smaller CCD and slower lens are big disadvantage of S7000. Besides, F717 can be found for $550 too. "Wolverine" wrote in message om... Fuji S7000 is never crap if you know how to use a camera. It is not clearly for point and shooters where the default settings are the only ones used. The S7000 is quite capable even compared to the F717. My friend has the S7000 and I have the F717 but I would not recommend it because of its bulkiness and proprietary choice and use of batteries and memory cards. Sony just kills consumers with their accessory prices. On the other hand, The s7000 can be had for as low as U$550.00. Its main attraction is that it is is capable of huge (poster size)36X40 inches printouts from its 12MP. I saw the printout done at a local Kodak processing centeer and it was really amazingly sharp and vivid. I had the S7000 for a couple of days and it is so simple to use and very ergonomic. It just molds in your hands. Fuji has been known for producing very accurate color and the S7000 is very much capable of that. The Sony, while no doubt that it can also produce excellent photos, it is on the other hand very awkward to use because of its body style. YOu need both hands always although the tiltable and swinging body does have its merits along with its capability to shoot in total darkness. Try to reasearch in dpreview.com and interact with all the "users" in the forums. You will get much more objective review of the cameras you are considering. "dfp" wrote in message ... The Fuji is crap. Nothing compares to the 717 short of the Rebel. The Fuji FinePix S7000 is a camera with a lot of potential that was ultimately a let down in the image quality department. In what seems to be a trend lately on their cameras, Fuji is processing and compressing their images to death, causing higher than average noise and other digital junk. I can live with a little "grain" in images, but when it starts eating away at details, it's too much. "Bill" wrote in message news:wToBb.49754$dO2.1986@lakeread03... Fuji S7000. Almost no shutter lag. Also has 12MP option for larger prints, best movie mose of all, best super macro and good zoom. Also has a unique "last 5" continuous mode that is really a nice feature. Bill "The Spectre" wrote in message news Opinions on new digital camera purchase; Nikon 5700 Minolta DiMAGE A1 FujiFilm S7000 I sold my n90s and am going digital and want a high quality but simpler system than my n90s and lenses offered. Mostly landscape, sports and family photos. I want as little shutter lag as possible and ocassionlly enlarge a good print. Thanks |
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You're probably best also not listening to the opinions of dinosaur's too
much. The digital camera is very different to film cameras, not only that but business is different. Alot of the cameras user the same manufacturer's sensors. Panasonic cameras have Leica lenses, Sony have Zeiss. It isn't that important who makes the camera - decide on what features you need, identify which models satisfy those requirements, read several reviews and owners opinions, and most important - go to a shop and try them out. "Tom Pfeiffer" wrote in message ... It's pretty silly to take someone to task for "possibly" quoting hearsay and then closing with a statement starting with "From what I've heard". Presumably your photo skills are better than your reasoning skills. At the risk of being burned at the stake for my own heretical opinion, I'll venture that anyone truly serious about photography should first consider companies with a significant history of designing and building serious cameras and not film companies or consumer electronis outfits who try to assemble them from other peoples parts. Which would lead me to look at Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Olympus and Pentax and away from Kodak, Sony, Fuji, Casio, HP, Panasonic, Toshiba, Samsung. OTOH, I couldn't agree more that Sony continues to try and lock people into their proprietary memory sticks, just like they've done before with products like Betamax and MD disks. They've always been great innovators with killer products like the VCR, Walkman, Vaio notebook computers and most recently in the Palm OS world, but they really don't want to fit in with anyone else. I think they are as much to blame as any other single company for there not being a unified DVDR standard either, although they can share some of the blame there with a few others. Tom P. "Wolverine" wrote in message From what I heard, this camera is not bad at all, it just needs the operator to really know what he is doing. Default settings are not the best settings. |
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