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Old August 1st 09, 08:00 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Tony Cooper
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On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:39:19 -0500, GavinS
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:13:19 -0400, "Bowser" wrote:

"Interesting." Shoot a picture of something that the viewer of the pic, not
necessarily you, find interesting.


Excuse me, but that's the whole point of all photography. Was I supposed to
be taking photographs of things that only I'm interested in all my life?
How silly of me. If I can't capture an image that others will find
interesting then what's the point? I find this theme of yours rather
strange I guess. Even stranger is any "photographer" who would think that
it is supposed to be some kind of unique category or challenge.


It is, indeed, a lame excuse for a mandate. It's essentially an
"open" competition because any shot of anything is "interesting" in
some aspect. Why it was suggested is beyond me, and why it was
accepted blows my mind.

The idea of a mandate is to get the photographer to stretch a bit in
finding subject matter or composing the image and show some
imagination. This mandate doesn't require anything like that...just
pick a good photo from the library or the current month's shots and
call it "interesting". Yechh.

Still, I'll probably enter something because I support the concept of
the Shoot-In even if I feel let down by the people who suggested and
accepted this mandate.






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  #22  
Old August 1st 09, 08:04 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Dudley Hanks[_4_]
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"Richard" wrote in message
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"GavinS" wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:13:19 -0400, "Bowser" wrote:

"Interesting." Shoot a picture of something that the viewer of the pic,
not
necessarily you, find interesting.


Excuse me, but that's the whole point of all photography. Was I supposed
to
be taking photographs of things that only I'm interested in all my life?
How silly of me. If I can't capture an image that others will find
interesting then what's the point? I find this theme of yours rather
strange I guess. Even stranger is any "photographer" who would think that
it is supposed to be some kind of unique category or challenge.


Well, excuse me. I take photos for my own selfish ends. If others find
them interesting bothers me not one bit. Sometimes they do mostly they
don't, what difference does it make?
To take a photo that truly interests everyone else is a pretty tough task.
Just my opinion.



I find it interesting that most artists I've talked to seem to say the same
thing, "I do this because I love it. If others share my pleasure, great.
If not, that's too bad, but I don't do it for them; I do it for myself."

To me, this is the dividing line between a professional and an artist. The
professional does it to put food on the table, so he / she is more
interested in the opinion of others, so they subordinate their own taste to
the bottom line. The true artist, to his or her own financial detriment,
always gives free reign to personal taste.

In essence, this challenge is asking for "professional" shots. For me, that
will be a challenge, so I may just have to submit something this time.

Take Care,
Dudley


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Old August 1st 09, 08:09 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
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GavinS wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:13:19 -0400, "Bowser" wrote:

"Interesting." Shoot a picture of something that the viewer of the pic, not
necessarily you, find interesting.


Excuse me, but that's the whole point of all photography. Was I supposed to
be taking photographs of things that only I'm interested in all my life?
How silly of me. If I can't capture an image that others will find
interesting then what's the point? I find this theme of yours rather
strange I guess. Even stranger is any "photographer" who would think that
it is supposed to be some kind of unique category or challenge.


Some photos might be just peaceful & pretty. More soothing than
stimulating. Much popular art appeals through soothing familiarity and
avoids anything that prompts curiosity or uniqueness. Or it could be a
physically stimulating image that's pretty & sparkly but offers no
intellectual stimulation whatsoever, hence uninteresting. Like most
sunset shots. NTTAWWT

If you aren't interested in arsty fartsyness, another option is
something technically interesting, like Bowser's example of the old
airplane with a V8 engine. Not to say Bowser isn't artsy fartsy g just
that example.

Official transcripts from the Shoot-In advisory board team committee
group panel discussion meeting show that there was also the suggestion
that folks could submit a pic of a subject showing concerted interest in
something like wildlife stalking prey or a person studying something
with a raised and furrowed brow. Try a portrait where the face shows
curiosity, that's a pretty novel idea. Some faces are just boring
beautiful, some faces are fascinating and complex.

--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

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  #24  
Old August 1st 09, 08:12 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
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"Dudley Hanks" wrote in message
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"Richard" wrote in message
...

"GavinS" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:13:19 -0400, "Bowser" wrote:

"Interesting." Shoot a picture of something that the viewer of the pic,
not
necessarily you, find interesting.

Excuse me, but that's the whole point of all photography. Was I supposed
to
be taking photographs of things that only I'm interested in all my life?
How silly of me. If I can't capture an image that others will find
interesting then what's the point? I find this theme of yours rather
strange I guess. Even stranger is any "photographer" who would think
that
it is supposed to be some kind of unique category or challenge.


Well, excuse me. I take photos for my own selfish ends. If others find
them interesting bothers me not one bit. Sometimes they do mostly they
don't, what difference does it make?
To take a photo that truly interests everyone else is a pretty tough
task.
Just my opinion.



I find it interesting that most artists I've talked to seem to say the
same thing, "I do this because I love it. If others share my pleasure,
great. If not, that's too bad, but I don't do it for them; I do it for
myself."

To me, this is the dividing line between a professional and an artist.
The professional does it to put food on the table, so he / she is more
interested in the opinion of others, so they subordinate their own taste
to the bottom line. The true artist, to his or her own financial
detriment, always gives free reign to personal taste.

In essence, this challenge is asking for "professional" shots. For me,
that will be a challenge, so I may just have to submit something this
time.

Take Care,
Dudley


Errrm no. I see not the mandate for "professional" shots. But, anyway
hypothetically, are you attacking this one from your professional side or
your artistic side?



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Old August 1st 09, 08:25 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Dudley Hanks[_4_]
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"Richard" wrote in message
...

"Dudley Hanks" wrote in message
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"Richard" wrote in message
...

"GavinS" wrote in message
news On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:13:19 -0400, "Bowser" wrote:

"Interesting." Shoot a picture of something that the viewer of the pic,
not
necessarily you, find interesting.

Excuse me, but that's the whole point of all photography. Was I
supposed to
be taking photographs of things that only I'm interested in all my
life?
How silly of me. If I can't capture an image that others will find
interesting then what's the point? I find this theme of yours rather
strange I guess. Even stranger is any "photographer" who would think
that
it is supposed to be some kind of unique category or challenge.

Well, excuse me. I take photos for my own selfish ends. If others find
them interesting bothers me not one bit. Sometimes they do mostly they
don't, what difference does it make?
To take a photo that truly interests everyone else is a pretty tough
task.
Just my opinion.



I find it interesting that most artists I've talked to seem to say the
same thing, "I do this because I love it. If others share my pleasure,
great. If not, that's too bad, but I don't do it for them; I do it for
myself."

To me, this is the dividing line between a professional and an artist.
The professional does it to put food on the table, so he / she is more
interested in the opinion of others, so they subordinate their own taste
to the bottom line. The true artist, to his or her own financial
detriment, always gives free reign to personal taste.

In essence, this challenge is asking for "professional" shots. For me,
that will be a challenge, so I may just have to submit something this
time.

Take Care,
Dudley


Errrm no. I see not the mandate for "professional" shots. But, anyway
hypothetically, are you attacking this one from your professional side or
your artistic side?



There's a shot I'd LOVE to do, but I know I'd be attacked for trying to get
points by using the "freak show" angle to my advantage. While I can pretty
much guarranttee EVERYONE would find the shot INTERESTING, I doubt I'll take
it, although I may chat with the fellow and see how he feels about it.

That shot could be done either artistically or professionally -- I'd
probably go pro on it since the more artistic it got, the louder the howls
of outrage would be.

For me, the real challenge is to come up with a professional shot,
indistinguishable from something you might see from a sighted pro in a
newspaper or magazine, something that is interesting purely from it's
content, composition subject and traditional technical merit, so that's the
route I'm favouring -- at the moment.

But, that other shot is so darn tempting ...

Take Care,
Dudley


  #26  
Old August 1st 09, 08:57 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
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Dudley Hanks wrote:
Richard wrote
Dudley Hanks wrote

I find it interesting that most artists I've talked to seem to say the
same thing, "I do this because I love it. If others share my pleasure,
great. If not, that's too bad, but I don't do it for them; I do it for
myself."

To me, this is the dividing line between a professional and an artist.
The professional does it to put food on the table, so he / she is more
interested in the opinion of others, so they subordinate their own taste
to the bottom line. The true artist, to his or her own financial
detriment, always gives free reign to personal taste.

In essence, this challenge is asking for "professional" shots. For me,
that will be a challenge, so I may just have to submit something this
time.

Errrm no. I see not the mandate for "professional" shots. But, anyway
hypothetically, are you attacking this one from your professional side or
your artistic side?


There's a shot I'd LOVE to do, but I know I'd be attacked for trying to get
points by using the "freak show" angle to my advantage. While I can pretty
much guarranttee EVERYONE would find the shot INTERESTING, I doubt I'll take
it, although I may chat with the fellow and see how he feels about it.

That shot could be done either artistically or professionally -- I'd
probably go pro on it since the more artistic it got, the louder the howls
of outrage would be.

For me, the real challenge is to come up with a professional shot,
indistinguishable from something you might see from a sighted pro in a
newspaper or magazine, something that is interesting purely from it's
content, composition subject and traditional technical merit, so that's the
route I'm favouring -- at the moment.

But, that other shot is so darn tempting ...


Freak shows can be interesting but according to the 'is it art'
definition of interesting, pure shock value might not be interesting if
it's too blatant.

Commercial work is often not interesting, like advertising it may be
just appealing to a predictable response in the public. Some TV
commercials are genuinely interesting though, and as long as it isn't a
lie, that's legit.

--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

all google groups messages filtered due to spam
  #27  
Old August 1st 09, 09:09 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Dudley Hanks[_4_]
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"Paul Furman" wrote in message
...
Dudley Hanks wrote:
Richard wrote
Dudley Hanks wrote
I find it interesting that most artists I've talked to seem to say the
same thing, "I do this because I love it. If others share my pleasure,
great. If not, that's too bad, but I don't do it for them; I do it for
myself."

To me, this is the dividing line between a professional and an artist.
The professional does it to put food on the table, so he / she is more
interested in the opinion of others, so they subordinate their own
taste to the bottom line. The true artist, to his or her own financial
detriment, always gives free reign to personal taste.

In essence, this challenge is asking for "professional" shots. For me,
that will be a challenge, so I may just have to submit something this
time.

Errrm no. I see not the mandate for "professional" shots. But, anyway
hypothetically, are you attacking this one from your professional side
or your artistic side?


There's a shot I'd LOVE to do, but I know I'd be attacked for trying to
get points by using the "freak show" angle to my advantage. While I can
pretty much guarranttee EVERYONE would find the shot INTERESTING, I doubt
I'll take it, although I may chat with the fellow and see how he feels
about it.

That shot could be done either artistically or professionally -- I'd
probably go pro on it since the more artistic it got, the louder the
howls of outrage would be.

For me, the real challenge is to come up with a professional shot,
indistinguishable from something you might see from a sighted pro in a
newspaper or magazine, something that is interesting purely from it's
content, composition subject and traditional technical merit, so that's
the route I'm favouring -- at the moment.

But, that other shot is so darn tempting ...


Freak shows can be interesting but according to the 'is it art' definition
of interesting, pure shock value might not be interesting if it's too
blatant.

Commercial work is often not interesting, like advertising it may be just
appealing to a predictable response in the public. Some TV commercials are
genuinely interesting though, and as long as it isn't a lie, that's legit.

--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

all google groups messages filtered due to spam


That's what makes this one so tough. The fellow is a long-time, dearly
beloved friend of mine. Like me, he has RP, but he has taken his talents in
a different direction: he does fabulous carpentry work.

In addition to the RP, he has a physical mutation which isn't really
shocking, just interesting; it's possibly a preview of where the human race
could be heading.

Unfortunately, though, like myself, once noticed, the mutation invariably
attracts unwanted attention from others, and has caused him a rather lot of
ugly encounters.

The reason why I don't disregard the idea outright is because I know him,
and I think he'd like an opportunity to explain that he is just another
human being, and that while he is unable to "fit" into society in a "normal"
sense, there is really no reason why it is impossible.

Take Care,
Dudley


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Old August 1st 09, 09:22 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:43:17 +1000, The pixel Bandit wrote:
: Bowser wrote:
:
: "Robert Coe" wrote in message
: ...
: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:09 -0700 (PDT), Noons
: wrote:
: : On Jul 31, 11:33 am, Robert Coe wrote:
: :
: : which we all have to get along, or it ceases to be fun.
: :
: : Bob
: :
: : I'm truly amazed you're still here, if you're after "fun".
:
: Touché, I guess. But then what's your excuse (for staying)? Your campaign
: against people posting to aus.photo seems to have largely petered out.
:
: Why don't you send something to the Shoot-In next time? Or do you,
: under a
: different name? I never figured you for a sock, but you never know.
:
: First rule of the shoot-in: trolls have endless hours to complain about
: it but no time at all to shoot and submit.
:
: So someone who once upon a time could have been correctly
: described as a prolific poster to shootin ...who thinks this
: management is stuffing it up even worse than the last and
: decides to protest about the dismal decline in submissions
: they lamely tried to cover up by taking three pics instead of
: one as submissions...

FWIW, the "previous management" also accepted three pictures. I think it's A
Good Thing, and you're the only one I've seen complain about it.

: And straight away they are a troll?

If the shoe fits, ...

: Get a life Bowser. And for God's sake stop re-posting this
: crap all over Usenet will you?

It's a thankless task. And I guess some claim that your administration wasn't
very well regarded.

Bob
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Old August 1st 09, 09:22 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
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On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:20:11 -0700, Paul Furman wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
: On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:51:51 +1200, Eric Stevens
: wrote:
: : On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:29:36 -0400, "Bowser" wrote:
: :
: : See the rulez page for more info:
: :
: : http://www.pbase.com/shootin/rulzpage
: :
: : Oops. I didn't know that.
: :
: : I've sent in a submission which doesn't follow your file naming
: : convention. Should I do it again with a corrected file name?
:
: You've already submitted an entry that isn't due until August 5??
:
: September 5

Doh! Obviously. Sorry. But it was a typo, not a misunderstanding. The point
stands. ;^)

Bob
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Old August 1st 09, 10:01 PM posted to aus.photo,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
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On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:25:30 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
wrote:
:
: "Richard" wrote in message
: ...
:
: "Dudley Hanks" wrote in message
: news:tl0dm.39083$PH1.26387@edtnps82...
:
: "Richard" wrote in message
: ...
:
: "GavinS" wrote in message
: news : On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:13:19 -0400, "Bowser" wrote:
:
: "Interesting." Shoot a picture of something that the viewer of the pic,
: not
: necessarily you, find interesting.
:
: Excuse me, but that's the whole point of all photography. Was I
: supposed to
: be taking photographs of things that only I'm interested in all my
: life?
: How silly of me. If I can't capture an image that others will find
: interesting then what's the point? I find this theme of yours rather
: strange I guess. Even stranger is any "photographer" who would think
: that
: it is supposed to be some kind of unique category or challenge.
:
: Well, excuse me. I take photos for my own selfish ends. If others find
: them interesting bothers me not one bit. Sometimes they do mostly they
: don't, what difference does it make?
: To take a photo that truly interests everyone else is a pretty tough
: task.
: Just my opinion.
:
:
:
: I find it interesting that most artists I've talked to seem to say the
: same thing, "I do this because I love it. If others share my pleasure,
: great. If not, that's too bad, but I don't do it for them; I do it for
: myself."
:
: To me, this is the dividing line between a professional and an artist.
: The professional does it to put food on the table, so he / she is more
: interested in the opinion of others, so they subordinate their own taste
: to the bottom line. The true artist, to his or her own financial
: detriment, always gives free reign to personal taste.
:
: In essence, this challenge is asking for "professional" shots. For me,
: that will be a challenge, so I may just have to submit something this
: time.
:
: Take Care,
: Dudley
:
: Errrm no. I see not the mandate for "professional" shots. But, anyway
: hypothetically, are you attacking this one from your professional side or
: your artistic side?
:
:
:
: There's a shot I'd LOVE to do, but I know I'd be attacked for trying to get
: points by using the "freak show" angle to my advantage. While I can pretty
: much guarranttee EVERYONE would find the shot INTERESTING, I doubt I'll take
: it, although I may chat with the fellow and see how he feels about it.
:
: That shot could be done either artistically or professionally -- I'd
: probably go pro on it since the more artistic it got, the louder the howls
: of outrage would be.
:
: For me, the real challenge is to come up with a professional shot,
: indistinguishable from something you might see from a sighted pro in a
: newspaper or magazine, something that is interesting purely from it's
: content, composition subject and traditional technical merit, so that's the
: route I'm favouring -- at the moment.
:
: But, that other shot is so darn tempting ...

Well, you get to submit three ...

Bob
 




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