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When I was in school, it was a Constitutional Republic. How
old are you, anyway?

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"DRS" wrote in message
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The United States is a liberal democracy. Now go back to
school and learn
what those terms mean.

"DRS" wrote in message
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The United States is a liberal democracy. Now go back to
school and learn
what those terms mean.




"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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When I was in school, it was a Constitutional Republic. How
old are you, anyway?

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yup, its in the pledge of allegiance fer dogs sake

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all."

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Christ." Gandhi

"Atheist Chaplain" wrote:
"DRS" wrote:
The United States is a liberal democracy.
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:
When I was in school, it was a Constitutional Republic. How
old are you, anyway?

yup, its in the pledge of allegiance fer dogs sake

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to
the ****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation under God,
indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

You could at least quote the original pledge, and not that newfangled thing
rewritten in the 50s for tawdry political purposes.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all."

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

On 2009-04-01 21:41:57 -0700, "David J. Littleboy" said:


"Atheist Chaplain" wrote:
"DRS" wrote:
The United States is a liberal democracy.
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:
When I was in school, it was a Constitutional Republic. How
old are you, anyway?

yup, its in the pledge of allegiance fer dogs sake

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to
the ****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation under God,
indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

You could at least quote the original pledge, and not that newfangled thing
rewritten in the 50s for tawdry political purposes.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all."

Now there is a Pledge of Allegiance I can deal with.

It is so much more in line with the thinking of the Founding Fathers,
rather than the politically biased reactionary anthem it became.

I still believe true patriotism does not need the crutch of pledges,
they seem so totalitarian, so HUAC.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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"DRS" wrote in message
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The United States is a liberal democracy. Now go back to
.. school and learn what those terms mean.

When I was in school, it was a Constitutional Republic. How
old are you, anyway?

"Constitutional" refers to the liberal idea that the majoritarian tendencies
of democracies must be constrained by the rule of law. However, liberalism
is broader than just that, as it also includes the idea that individuals or
minorities have inalienable rights the majority should not trample, and
actively promotes generally free markets, not least as a means of enabling
individual freedom. Since America's political system includes all these
features, not just the constitutional element (hell, the USSR had a
constitution), it is better described as liberal. That said, there is no
inherent conflict between saying it is a Constitutional Republic and also a
liberal democracy any more than there is a conflict between saying Australia
is a Constitutional Monarchy and also a liberal democracy.

Returning to the context, my point was to refute the stupendously ignorant
claim that America is not a democracy. "Republic" today does not mean what
it did three hundred and fifty years ago in the Federalist papers. Madison
particularly used "republic" to contrast with Athenian democracy but that
usage is archaic. Today it simply means a political system where the head
of state is elected (in countries like America and France) or nominated (by
the state party in countries like China) rather than a monarchy (as in the
UK). Democracy, too, is vastly different today compared to the Athenian
model, being representative and non-participatory. By "liberal democracy"
political scientists mean their political forms seek to balance the
majoritarian tendencies of the democratic tradition (popularly elected
governments, majority rule, universal political participation, strong state
sector, universal welfare & education, etc) with the individualistic
tendencies of liberalism (rule of law, inalienable rights of minorities,
free markets). Every Western country, including America, regardless of the
political stripe of its government of the day, is a liberal democracy
(although Europe particularly is experimenting with post-liberal forms of
democracy like deliberative democracy and environmental democracy).

"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message
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"Atheist Chaplain" wrote:
"DRS" wrote:
The United States is a liberal democracy.
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:
When I was in school, it was a Constitutional Republic. How
old are you, anyway?

yup, its in the pledge of allegiance fer dogs sake

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to
the ****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation under God,
indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

You could at least quote the original pledge, and not that newfangled
thing rewritten in the 50s for tawdry political purposes.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to
the
****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all."

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan




my apologies, As I am not American I didn't know there was more than one.
and the 50's was before I was born :-)
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Christ." Gandhi

Well, I guess I'll continue to be stupendously ignorant.
Here in the USA, we have a Constition. Be it mostly ignored,
it's still a Constitution. We can vote on some things, but
for the most part, we're limited by the powers numerated in
the Constitution.

Presidential election is a good example of the Republic. We
vote for electors, in the electoral college. The electors
vote for the President. If we were a democracy, we'd vote
for the President. But, we in the US do not.

My stupendously ignorant school teachers of olde disagree
with you.

--
Christopher A. Young
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"DRS" wrote in message
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Returning to the context, my point was to refute the
stupendously ignorant
claim that America is not a democracy.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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"DRS" wrote in message
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Returning to the context, my point was to refute the
stupendously ignorant
claim that America is not a democracy.

Well, I guess I'll continue to be stupendously ignorant.
Here in the USA, we have a Constition. Be it mostly ignored,
it's still a Constitution. We can vote on some things, but
for the most part, we're limited by the powers numerated in
the Constitution.

That is true. I await some explanation of its relevance to the question at
hand.

Presidential election is a good example of the Republic. We
vote for electors, in the electoral college. The electors
vote for the President. If we were a democracy, we'd vote
for the President. But, we in the US do not.

It does not automatically follow that the voters must directly elect their
head of state for it to be a democracy any more than they must vote directly
on legislation. Representative democracy is one of the defining
characteristics of modern democracy.

My stupendously ignorant school teachers of olde disagree
with you.

They obviously didn't do any politics units at uni. I repeat what I said to
SavageDuck: ask the professor of political science at your local university
whether the United States is a liberal democracy. When he or she says yes,
report back.

In the meantime, please fix your quoting. It plays merry hell with my
reader.

David J. Littleboy wrote:
"Atheist Chaplain" wrote:
"DRS" wrote:
The United States is a liberal democracy.
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:
When I was in school, it was a Constitutional Republic. How
old are you, anyway?

yup, its in the pledge of allegiance fer dogs sake

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the ****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation under
God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

You could at least quote the original pledge, and not that
newfangled thing rewritten in the 50s for tawdry political purposes.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the ****Republic**** for which it stands: one Nation,
indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

Hear! Hear!

--
Frank ess

Atheist Chaplain added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...
my apologies, As I am not American I didn't know there was more
than one. and the 50's was before I was born :-)

If you're not an American, you anarchist atheist fool, stay the ****
out of discussions of American freedoms, protections, and rights. As
I recall, you're what, a Canuck or Limey or what? Quote me the
equivalent document that is the same for your as our Consitution and
Bill of Rights is to us. Try, but you cannot as it does not exist.
So, go back with your Socialist loon pals like those assholes
painting themselves with theatrical blood to make it look like the
London police are beating them. You don't deserve to even engage in
comments about a truly free country with BY FAR, the most productive
economy the world has every know.

--
Jerry, aka HP

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