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Nikon D200 vs. D80
Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
Cynicor wrote: Hey, set up a web site and give *your* spin on the truth and see how successful you are. My gut feeling is you won't even be good enough to register a domain name. But, hey, it's easier to cut someone to pieces without walking a mile in their shoes. Yes, you are green with envy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rockwell, but I see too many people cutting him up that for some reason or another haven't a clue to take the first steps that made him successful. Geez, it not THAT hard to set up a domain name. Rockwell's just a diversion. No one should ever buy a camera or lens without holding it in their hands anyway. Of course, I'm talking out of my buttocks now because I just buy any old crap off the Internet. Well, there you have it! Now you have everything needed to empower you with all tools needed to set up a successful equipment review site that everyone is clamoring to visit instead of one of them insignificant mindless "blog" sites that every idiot puts up thinking they have an inkling of importance. Oh, I set up one of those mindless "blog" sites years ago. http://cynicor.blogspot.com. But I'm too important to update it regularly. |
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Nikon D200 vs. D80
Bill wrote: "James P. Clark" wrote in message ... Wow, I came back to check this thread and I see it has generated a lot of responses! Bill, you're certainly passionate about your dislike for Ken Rockwell, but I still contend that the site has useful information. There are bits and pieces of truly useful information, but it's tossed in like the bacon bits in a cheap caesar salad - small and hard to find. :-) I don't hate him, I just dislike his opinions, advice, and facts that are misleading to those who wish to learn more about photography. He's not helping a new photographer who wants to become a better photographer. Quite honestly, Bill, it appears to me that it is you that have been fast and loose with the facts, giving bad advice and opintions, and misleading others. I hate to say it, too. But if you don't like Ken Rockwell, it appears to say volumes more about you than it does about Rockwell. |
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Nikon D200 vs. D80
ASAAR wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:38:15 -0400, Cynicor wrote: Well, I fixed one of them. It prints out all nice now. http://trupin.smugmug.com/gallery/824709/1/95607778 Nice improvement. The warmth in the clouds seems more natural or realistic, and it helps the trees and land mass too. Also, the water now doesn't immediately shout "Menthol!!" Surprisingly, since the image is 1/2 the size of the previous version (55k vs. 96k), the birds (especially the two upper, smaller ones) seem better defined. But if it's boids ya want, you didn't have to travel that far. We've got plenty of gulls here around the edges of the boroughs. Some days when the weather is right, they travel several miles inland. The actual original file, converted to JPG, shrank from 3328KB to 3236KB. Smugmug must've done the thumbnail differently or something. The big problem was the polarizer, which made the water too blue - but was necessary to bring out the mountain. There's no such thing as "several miles inland" out here on the Island. Although I did take a ton of pictures of Gulls last weekend, since my son plays for them. http://trupin.smugmug.com/gallery/1907561/7/96308843 - he's the 12 year old who's bigger than you. |
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Nikon D200 vs. D80
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill wrote:
I can't find in the specs from Nikon where it says the D80 has mirror lockup. Look again... Please paste a quote. I still do not see it. Also, both the D80 and the D200 sport a 10.2MP sensor 3872x2592 pixels. Seems the same to me. Really? They both have a 10.2MP 3872x2592 sensor. Care to refute that? sigh So I still have to do your homework for you? From Nikons site and specs, total pixels: D80: Image Sensor: RGB CCD, 23.6 x 15.8mm; total pixels: 10.75 million, Nikon DX format D200: Image Sensor: RGB CCD, 23.6 x 15.8mm; total pixels: 10.92 million Clearly not the same. The output channel count is also different, 4 for the D200 and 2 for the D80. See the quotes below for reference. You are correct, I did not see the difference in sensor as opposed to image. Eh? Looks like Nikon aggrees with our buddy and not you: "Weight: Approximately 1 lb. 5 oz. (585g) without battery, memory card, body cap, or monitor cover" Hahaha....so how is the fact that the numbers are different, but to you they're the same? It's a small difference I agree, but that's just one of many factual errors. Other review sites get it right, why can't Rockwell? Could it be he doesn't know what he's talking about? You know as well as anybody else here that Nikon's site says "approximately" and the value that Ken gives is very close to the value that Nikon offers as an approximate value. Your statement about the weights being different is incorrect, just as my statement that the sensors are the same pixel count was incorrect. Right...believe what you want then...stick a fork in me, I'm done. Good ... -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 |
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Nikon D200 vs. D80
If you take 5 photographers taking each 5 senics and 5 portraits using
the folowing camera: Nikon D70s Nikon D80 Nikon D200 Canon DRXTi Canon 30D and you print an 8.5x11 using OEM ink on a Canon IP5200 printer and then mix up the results most people will not be able to tell you what print was made with what Camera. All would be very good. So as I see it the basic difference between the D200 and the D80 is size, feel and balance, construction (and most will not need the better construction if they take care of their stuff) frames per second, and maybe a couple of other small things. Most amateurs woudl be better off with a D80 and a couple of extra lenses over a D200 as long as the smaller and lighter camera did not have an impact on them. I would rather see a comparison between the D80 and the Canon XTi. If the dust cleaning system on the Canon works as advertised how significant a feature is that over the Nikon. The Nikon does have a composition grid that can be turned on in the view finder. Which feature is more important to have. Well, if dust is a real problem then the dust cleaning system but if it is no then so what. I could like to see a comparison of: the focusing systems (focus points and speed etc) the metering systems (spot, average etc) and the significance of the features the feeling and balance the choice of reasonable price lenses and how good they are (excluding the expensive L lenses. the LCD other important features Most of the camera reviews focus on a single camera with some mention of the competition or a spreadsheet like list comparing features of difference camera but I would really like to see comparative reviews like in the old days when PC magazines did in depth comparistive reviews of word processors and spreedsheets. Bill wrote: "cjcampbell" wrote in message ps.com... Bill wrote: His so-called "review" is full of misinformation and bias. Really? Show us one single mistake in his comparison. Start at the top: "D80 has the D200's 10 MP image sensor". ACK....wrong. "look, quality and color of the D200's images" ACK...wrong. Jump down to the first comparison list where he has side-by-side data and you find more errors. Let's start at the third item in the list: Weight 20 oz. (575g) [D80] ACK...wrong. Weight 29 oz. (825g) [D200] ACK...wrong. The rest you can find on your own...I don't time to find and copy&paste everything that Rockwell posts incorrectly - I'd be sitting here all week. :-/ |
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Nikon D200 vs. D80
Ken has stated in many places on his website that many of his
conclusions are his own personal opinion. He has always state that he prefers Nikon over Canon and that is his opinion. Recently he said that he might even opt for Canon if he was building a new system and did not have any lenses. The bottom line is he does not think that one camera (brand or model) over the other would produce any better results for him. Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote: James P. Clark wrote: Wow, I came back to check this thread and I see it has generated a lot of responses! Bill, you're certainly passionate about your dislike for Ken Rockwell, but I still contend that the site has useful information. I have a couple points I'd like to make: I'm sure it's more a case of jealousy since if he could do it better he would. Ken's successful at generating an income with whatever he writes. This is no different than any other idiot writing a webpage or review on the net. Some people take his opinions at face value while others see through the crap. Personally, I do my research and don't take anyone's *opinion* as fact. This is why it's best to take the average of all the bull**** to find a glimmer of facts. Rita |
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