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Old January 21st 04, 02:34 PM
Raphael Bustin
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Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



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Old January 21st 04, 02:50 PM
Nick Zentena
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Raphael Bustin wrote:

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



The basic back is the spring back. It'll take sheet film holders and a few
things designed to slide in the same way. I think Calumet's rollfilm holder
fits a spring back.

The graflok [I think this is the "universal" back] will take anything
that fits the spring back plus anything designed for the graflok.

You'll have to decide with 120 format do you want. 6x4.5 all the way to
6x12 will fit 4x5.


Nick
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Old January 21st 04, 03:16 PM
Brian Reynolds
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Raphael Bustin wrote:

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive 120 or 220 roll film
holder that fits a standard 4x5 field camera back?


I have a few of the Graflex lever wound rollfilm backs in 4x5 (a RH12
6x6 back) and 2x3 (a RH12 and a RH8 6x9). They work nicely. The
lever wound Graflex backs are supposed to hold the film flatter than
the Graflex knob wound backs, but I don't have any knob wound backs to
make the comparison.

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard generic 4x5
back -- or is that term proprietary to the Speed Graphic?


Graflok is a type of back that lets you easily remove the ground glass
panel and attach different accessories (usually a rollfilm back). It
uses sliding tabs to hold the accessory in place.

Some companies call it a Graflok back, others call it an International
back.

The other common type of back is the spring back, in which the ground
glass panel is not removable. Some spring backs have enough movement
that you can slip a Graflex style rollfilm holder under the ground
glass panel. Others need a holder like the Calumet ones that slip
under the ground glass and keep all the film to one side.

There is also a Graflex back, but it's rare (only on early Graflex
cameras?) and not compatible with current backs. The locating ridge
is on the camera back instead of on the holder.

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Old January 21st 04, 03:28 PM
Robert Feinman
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Default Recommend 6x9 Roll Film Holder

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says...

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

The old caluumet roll film works well. Fits like a sheet
film holder in the regular back. I think it was made by
cambo. Lots of used ones around. The new ones are very
expensive.
Graflok was a trademark of the graphic corp., but lots of
cameras have "graflok" style backs. The main feature is
a removable spring back combined with a pair of sliding
clamps which will hold film holders via a slot along the
edge without the spring. Graphic rollfilm holders, for
example.
You can also look for the graphic rollfilm holders, if
you have a "graflok" style back.
Some people think they don't hold the film as flat, though..

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Old January 21st 04, 04:43 PM
Marv Soloff
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Default Recommend 6x9 Roll Film Holder

Simple and inexpensive? Not hardly likely. For simple, see if you can
unearth an old Suydam (Suydam Metal Products) roll holder. Made out of
pressed tinplate. Try to find one without rust.

Regards,

Marv

Raphael Bustin wrote:
Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com


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Old January 21st 04, 05:13 PM
Tom
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Generic term is "International Back", it was developed by Graphex as the
"Graflok Back" so the terms are actually interchangable.

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Raphael Bustin wrote:

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com


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Old January 22nd 04, 01:35 AM
Gregory N. Latiak
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The Graphic RH8 6x9 knob backs that I own do not appear to have problems
with film flatness. Over the 25 years that they have been in my kit, a lot
of film has passed through -- everything has been quite acceptable corner to
corner. In the beginning they were used with an Anniversary Speed Graphic
fitted with a Graflok back. Now they bond with a Technika V -- same good
results.


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Generic term is "International Back", it was developed by Graphex as the
"Graflok Back" so the terms are actually interchangable.

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Raphael Bustin wrote:

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com




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Old January 22nd 04, 01:53 AM
Wolfgang Kommerell
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Raphael Bustin wrote:

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?


I like the Horseman backs. They're significantly smaller and lighter
than the push-in types (Calumet, Sinar) and have worked flawlessly for
me for many years.

Wolfgang

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Old January 22nd 04, 02:06 AM
John Hendry
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Default Recommend 6x9 Roll Film Holder

I have a Graphic "23" back that works well. I bought it for around $30 at a
swap meet though this is probably at the low end of the asking price. I did
expect on the basis of the '23' that this would have an aspect ratio of 2:3
ie 6x9 but it is more like 6x8 in the frame window (58mm x 78mm to be
precise). You see them around often enough.

"Raphael Bustin" wrote in message
...

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5 field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com



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Old February 5th 04, 12:35 PM
Richard Knoppow
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"Raphael Bustin" wrote in message
...

Any recommendations for a simple and inexpensive
120 or 220 roll film holder that fits a standard 4x5

field
camera back?

Is "graflok" the proper term to describe the standard
generic 4x5 back -- or is that term proprietary to the
Speed Graphic?



rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com


"Graflok" was a trade mark of Graflex for a type of back
with removable ground glass spring panel which would accept
accessories. It became standard on all sizes of Speed and
Crown Graphics c.1950 and was available in a retrofit
version for earlier cameras of up to 4x5. Some modern 4x5
cameras have so called Universal or International backs
which are either identical or essentially similar to the
Graflok and take the same accessories. Many view and press
cameras have "spring backs" which take standard holders but
not accessories.
The only roll film holder which is practical for a "spring
back" is the one made by Calumet. These slide in like
standard sheet film holders. They will fit most 4x5 cameras
but not all. Some have fittings which interfere with the
seating of the roll adaptor. I have at least one camera
where the "ears" on the ground glass panel will not allow
the holder to go in all the way.
Calumet has buit these for many years. The original Model
C-2 is made entirirely of metal, the current version has
some plastic. Used ones turn up every so often but are not
cheap. The current version is fairly expensive but you will
have to check the Calumet web site for current prices.
If your camera has a slide out ground glass and spring
panel its a Graflok or similar back. These will have sliding
sheet metal strips above and below the window for holding
the accessories.


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