Canon 5D announced !

"Maurice Blanchard" wrote in message
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Finally...

And now for something completely different...

30 mp Pentax dSLR/HD1080p

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Annika1980 wrote:

On Sep 18, 8:42*pm, SMS wrote:
No doubt Nikon is
soon going to announce a D300 replacement that will move it ahead of the
50D (probably including video capability like the D90). No doubt Nikon
will also announce a replacement for the D700 so they can compete
against the 5D Mark II, though the D700 replacement is probably at least
4-6 months away since the D700 is pretty recent. Nikon users would be
advised to sit tight for a while and continue using their existing D-SLR
bodies while Nikon readies their next generation.

It usually takes Nikon a year or two to catch up to Canon's latest
offerings. Once the new Nikon hits the market it takes Canon about 30
minutes to go back in front.


Sux to be you, Nikonians!

Not half as bad as it would to be you.

--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.

____ wrote:
ASAAR wrote:

Maybe. Or maybe the collapse of Canon's virtual FF monopoly kept
the price down more than any financial collapses did.

And the fact that Nikon did it w/o sacrificing the original Nikon mount.

Opposed to?

-Wolfgang

Maurice Blanchard wrote,on my timestamp of 17/09/2008 1:54 PM:
Finally...

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Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

____ wrote:
ASAAR wrote:

Maybe. Or maybe the collapse of Canon's virtual FF monopoly kept
the price down more than any financial collapses did.

And the fact that Nikon did it w/o sacrificing the original Nikon mount.

Opposed to?

-Wolfgang

Reading the thread, I guess in your case.

--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.

____ wrote:
In article ,
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
____ wrote:
ASAAR wrote:

Maybe. Or maybe the collapse of Canon's virtual FF monopoly kept
the price down more than any financial collapses did.

And the fact that Nikon did it w/o sacrificing the original Nikon mount.

Opposed to?

Reading the thread, I guess in your case.

Canon sacrificed which mount again going to FF?

And don't tell me EF-S users had no idea that their lenses
may not be FF compatible ...

-Wolfgang

SMS wrote,on my timestamp of 19/09/2008 10:42 AM:

some functionality for older lenses on some digital bodies. Nikon can't
do all the lenses Canon is capable of doing because of the old mount.

what a load of crap! Lens making ability has nothing to do with mount.
Perfect proof what you said is rubbish: Zeiss, Sigma, Tamron
and all other makers of multiple mount lenses.

One thing I do like about Nikon is that their DX lenses can be used
directly on their full frame cameras, just without using the full frame.
With Canon, using an EF-S lens on a full-frame mount requires an adapter
that extends the lens forward slightly.

That must be because of the "superior" mount?...


But actually, you're right, it's always "for now." No doubt Nikon is
soon going to announce a D300 replacement that will move it ahead of the
50D (probably including video capability like the D90).

D400.

No doubt Nikon
will also announce a replacement for the D700 so they can compete
against the 5D Mark II, though the D700 replacement is probably at least
4-6 months away since the D700 is pretty recent.

D800, mid 2009.


bodies while Nikon readies their next generation. While you can wait
forever for the next great thing, in this case Nikon _has_ to respond
quickly to the EOS 5D Mark II and the EOS 50D, just as Canon will have
to do something about the XSi in regards to how it competes against the
D90.


What on earth for? The 5D2 is not that much of a leap from
the D700 for anyone to jump ship. Megapixels is NOT
everything, no matter how much marketing would like that
one to stick. D700 has a MUCH better AF setup, besides
a few other aspects. Wait a few more months and the value for
money equation will even things out.

If anything, what the 5d2 has CLEARLY shown is how much
1DS users have been ripped off over the years!
Nothing like a bit of serious competition for monopolies to
"suddenly" find a way of producing stuff for a lot less $$$,
isn't it?

And wait for the 5D2 users to find out not all lenses work well,
unless they cough up for Canon's lens correction software?

Sucks to have been skinned alive by Canon, doesn't it?
Then again, we all know what suckers Canon users are...
LOL!

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:51:41 -0700, Annika1980 wrote:

On Sep 18, 8:42Â*pm, SMS wrote:
No doubt Nikon is
soon going to announce a D300 replacement that will move it ahead of the
50D (probably including video capability like the D90). No doubt Nikon
will also announce a replacement for the D700 so they can compete
against the 5D Mark II, though the D700 replacement is probably at least
4-6 months away since the D700 is pretty recent. Nikon users would be
advised to sit tight for a while and continue using their existing D-SLR
bodies while Nikon readies their next generation.

It usually takes Nikon a year or two to catch up to Canon's latest
offerings. Once the new Nikon hits the market it takes Canon about 30
minutes to go back in front.


Sux to be you, Nikonians!

Where do you think Nikon is in front and where do you think Canon is in
front?

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:42:13 +1000, Noons wrote:

SMS wrote,on my timestamp of 19/09/2008 10:42 AM:

some functionality for older lenses on some digital bodies. Nikon can't
do all the lenses Canon is capable of doing because of the old mount.

what a load of crap! Lens making ability has nothing to do with mount.
Perfect proof what you said is rubbish: Zeiss, Sigma, Tamron
and all other makers of multiple mount lenses.

One thing I do like about Nikon is that their DX lenses can be used
directly on their full frame cameras, just without using the full frame.
With Canon, using an EF-S lens on a full-frame mount requires an adapter
that extends the lens forward slightly.

That must be because of the "superior" mount?...


But actually, you're right, it's always "for now." No doubt Nikon is
soon going to announce a D300 replacement that will move it ahead of the
50D (probably including video capability like the D90).

D400.

No doubt Nikon
will also announce a replacement for the D700 so they can compete
against the 5D Mark II, though the D700 replacement is probably at least
4-6 months away since the D700 is pretty recent.

D800, mid 2009.


bodies while Nikon readies their next generation. While you can wait
forever for the next great thing, in this case Nikon _has_ to respond
quickly to the EOS 5D Mark II and the EOS 50D, just as Canon will have
to do something about the XSi in regards to how it competes against the
D90.


What on earth for? The 5D2 is not that much of a leap from
the D700 for anyone to jump ship. Megapixels is NOT
everything, no matter how much marketing would like that
one to stick. D700 has a MUCH better AF setup, besides
a few other aspects. Wait a few more months and the value for
money equation will even things out.

If anything, what the 5d2 has CLEARLY shown is how much
1DS users have been ripped off over the years!
Nothing like a bit of serious competition for monopolies to
"suddenly" find a way of producing stuff for a lot less $$$,
isn't it?

And wait for the 5D2 users to find out not all lenses work well,
unless they cough up for Canon's lens correction software?

Sucks to have been skinned alive by Canon, doesn't it?
Then again, we all know what suckers Canon users are...
LOL!

ALL OF THIS IS BULL****. I do admit there may be some differences in
image quality but just because there are differences or discernible
characteristics that does not mean one is actually better than the other
but just different.

If one takes a dozen photos of various subjects with each camera right
next to each other and then edits and prints them to the same size like an
11x14 or a 12x18 or even a 16x20 and then mixed them all up one would be
hard pressed to tell which camera made which print.

You might be able to sort them based on characteristics depending on the
subject or maybe on the color and you might even have a preference based
on some characteristic but the actual quality would be about the same.
There would be no significant differences in image quality.

Now that does not mean you would not enjoy using one over the other or
that you might prefer the feature set or ergonomics of one over the other.
I am just saying the primary purpose to produce quality images would be
about a toss up.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:08:11 -0700, Annika1980 wrote:

On Sep 19, 8:42Â*am, Noons wrote:

What on earth for? Â*The 5D2 is not that much of a leap from
the D700 for anyone to jump ship. Â*Megapixels is NOT
everything, no matter how much marketing would like that
one to stick.

More megapixels, 1080p video for a lower price?
Sounds like a D700 killer to me.

If anything, what the 5d2 has CLEARLY shown is how much
1DS users have been ripped off over the years!
Nothing like a bit of serious competition for monopolies to
"suddenly" find a way of producing stuff for a lot less $$$,
isn't it?

There is some truth in that, however, the 1Ds series is priced high
because there was no competition from Nikon in that sector for
years.


And wait for the 5D2 users to find out not all lenses work well,
unless they cough up for Canon's lens correction software?

??? The only Canon lens correction software is DPP and it comes with
the camera. Not unlike the lens correction feature in Nikon Capture.

Once the new Canon 5D/2 ships I wonder how much difference you would see
in various size prints between that and the 1Ds/3.

Maybe you would see not significant difference until you printed 30x40.
And if that was the case how can you justify 2 1/2 times the price?