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A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California -- Frank ess |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:15:19 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Yeah, let me thank them for being corporate pawns and are too ignorant to see that they are just patsies for oil-company CEOs. Giving up their lives and mindlessly following like sheep to keep those CEOs in their cushy and manipulative towers. War casualties (religious or corporate) are just prime examples of the very best Darwinism in action. GO! Lemmings! GO! Thanks! For erasing your weak-willed stupidity genes from the human race! |
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Frank ess wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Wrong. Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for giving thanks. -- Ray Fischer |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:15:19 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:
A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California A bit more cropping to get rid of the cars and it will look better. A bit hard to fix the darkness though. |
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In message , Die Wahrheit
writes On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:15:19 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote: A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Yeah, let me thank them for being corporate pawns and are too ignorant to see that they are just patsies for oil-company CEOs. Giving up their lives and mindlessly following like sheep to keep those CEOs in their cushy and manipulative towers. As an ex-serviceman I have to say there is more than a little truth in that. War casualties (religious or corporate) are just prime examples of the very best Darwinism in action. Not sure about that.... it depends on which cou8ntry you are talking about. Some Armies like the US really believe they are there fro "freedom and democracy" and they are bringing "civilisation" etc others are a LOT more cynical. EG the UK forces. I recall a battalion briefing in 1990 and one of the questions was "were we going in for oil and the big corporations?" The answer was "Yes, it is politics and commerce.... but when has it ever been different?" -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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In message , Ray Fischer
writes Frank ess wrote: A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Wrong. Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for giving thanks. The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for Easter? As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the crossing? It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be patriotic about? Didn't that come later? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote:
In message , Ray Fischer writes Frank ess wrote: A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Wrong. Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for giving thanks. The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for Easter? As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the crossing? It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be patriotic about? Didn't that come later? The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving". It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on) middle-east deity. It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided. Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means. |
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In message , Die Wahrheit
writes On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote: In message , Ray Fischer writes Frank ess wrote: A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Wrong. Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for giving thanks. The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for Easter? As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the crossing? It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be patriotic about? Didn't that come later? The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving". It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on) middle-east deity. Thanks for the clarification... Not like the Christians to steal some one else's festival. Now I must put the Christmas decorations up :-))) It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided. Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means. And unfortunately the winners get to rewrite history... The good news is the Irish government has finally woken up and is going to sort out the Catholic Church over its long history of child abuse. At last we should see a lot of them end up in jail in 2010. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:56:06 +0000, Chris H wrote:
In message , Die Wahrheit writes On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote: In message , Ray Fischer writes Frank ess wrote: A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Wrong. Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for giving thanks. The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for Easter? As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the crossing? It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be patriotic about? Didn't that come later? The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving". It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on) middle-east deity. Thanks for the clarification... Not like the Christians to steal some one else's festival. Now I must put the Christmas decorations up :-))) I call them Yule Decorations, and only decorate a living tree outside. With strings of food and ornaments symbolic of nature's forces, to pay homage to all life (not death, as christians worship their symbols of death). The same way it used to be done before christians cut down all the Yule Trees and hid them in their homes to give them the custom they have today. There's a reason their holiday is on the 25th and Yule was on the Winter Solstice. It took them that long to discover all the decorated and living Pagan Yule Trees, to destroy them, then hide these non-burnable trees in their homes (the only way they could hide their vandalism) and then make up a story to tell their children and neighbors. To explain this insane behavior of theirs of putting a live decorated tree in the middle of their house in the dead of winter. There's a reason too that some European cultures still practice hanging a Yule Tree upside-down in their homes in winter. It was a way for christians to keep them out of the way and drying until they could burn them. Symbolic too of hanging all Pagans. As recorded by Charlemagne, "And they cut down the mighty Pagan Tree, and up sprang the birth of our christ." It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided. Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means. And unfortunately the winners get to rewrite history... The good news is the Irish government has finally woken up and is going to sort out the Catholic Church over its long history of child abuse. At last we should see a lot of them end up in jail in 2010. While you're at it, ask them about ... The custom of drinking for st. patrick's day. How it goes all the way back to when christians wiped out the original Irish Pagan beliefs in the Pagan Deity of Trefuilnid Treochar (whose symbol of power was the shamrock, now stolen for use by the christians' imaginary st. patrick). Today's Irish drinking custom stems from trying to forget the loss of their culture and drowning their sorrows. Trefuilnid Treochar was just renamed into st. patrick so christians wouldn't have to put them to death for worshipping their Pagan Gods. The allegory of "driving the 'snakes' out of Ireland" is just the christian-invented myth of how they ridded all of Ireland of their original Irish customs, knowledge, wisdoms, beliefs, and Deities. There never were any actual snakes in Ireland, unless you consider the christians themselves. This is the same way that christians obtained all their original saints, by just renaming all the original Pagan's Deities as they wiped out each European regions' culture and ways in their destructive wake and self-serving path across Europe. The same as they did in North America and South America. They figured that making human sacrifices of all the European Pagans to their christian god was somehow going against one of their commandments, so christians found a way to stop having to kill all Pagans by just renaming their Deities. The Pagans could then still worship their Pagan Deities but only if they called them by their new christian "saint" names. Otherwise they would still have to be made into human sacrifices to appease their beliefs in a christian god. Human-sacrifice is quite popular with christians. Just like all the Pagans that were found buried around Stonehenge. The cuts found in the bones of the shallow Pagans' graves all around Stonehenge are now revealed through modern forensics that they could only have been made by christians' swords at the time. One of the interesting stories of a PBS series called "Secrets of the Dead". Uncovering the real truths behind all the christian-written false history we were all taught in schools. E.g. Syphilis did NOT come from Native Americans and brought back to Europe, as has been mistakenly parroted all these years. Forensics and genetic tracking now proves it originated from a small christian monastery in Europe (is anyone surprised by this?). Syphilis was then brought to North American by christian missionary hypocrites who used Native American women as their sex-slaves. |
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In message , Die Wahrheit
writes On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:56:06 +0000, Chris H wrote: In message , Die Wahrheit writes On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:08:51 +0000, Chris H wrote: In message , Ray Fischer writes Frank ess wrote: A reminder of what we truly /must/ give thanks for: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/...40c66de2_o.jpg War Veterans Memorial, Mt Soledad, LaJolla, California Wrong. Thankgiving is not a "christian" holiday and it is not a patriotic holiday. It has nothing to do with war (that's Memorial Day) and it has nothing to do with the cross (that's Easter). It's a day for giving thanks. The cross I though was a generic Christian symbol and not just for Easter? As you say it is not about "war" though I thought (btw I am not American so this is a genuine request for information) that it was thanks giving for landing in the Americas safely and making the crossing? It would be "Christian" as most/all? of them were some what zealous in their Christian beliefs hence leaving Europe. I am not sure that originally it was "patriotic" as there was no country as such to be patriotic about? Didn't that come later? The origin of "Thanks-Giving" is a First-Nations' (Native American) custom that was originally called, when correctly translated, "Thanks for Giving". It has absolutely NOTHING to do with a European's adopted (forced on) middle-east deity. Thanks for the clarification... Not like the Christians to steal some one else's festival. Now I must put the Christmas decorations up :-))) I call them Yule Decorations, Quite so! and only decorate a living tree outside. With strings of food and ornaments symbolic of nature's forces, to pay homage to all life (not death, as christians worship their symbols of death). The same way it used to be done before christians cut down all the Yule Trees and hid them in their homes to give them the custom they have today. There's a reason their holiday is on the 25th and Yule was on the Winter Solstice. It took them that long to discover all the decorated and living Pagan Yule Trees, to destroy them, then hide these non-burnable trees in their homes (the only way they could hide their vandalism) and then make up a story to tell their children and neighbors. To explain this insane behavior of theirs of putting a live decorated tree in the middle of their house in the dead of winter. There's a reason too that some European cultures still practice hanging a Yule Tree upside-down in their homes in winter. It was a way for christians to keep them out of the way and drying until they could burn them. Symbolic too of hanging all Pagans. Interesting... Most don't realise the "Christmas tree" is a pagan thing that only really came to prominence about 150 years ago when Albert brought it to the UK for Victoria... Then it spread round the British Empire which ate time covered a large part of the world. Otherwise most of the world would not have "Christmas" Trees now. As recorded by Charlemagne, "And they cut down the mighty Pagan Tree, and up sprang the birth of our christ." It was to give thanks to those that shared what they had with you, and thanks to the earth for it sharing what it provided. Unfortunately, just like all original holidays and customs, this holiday too has been stolen, twisted, *******ized, and manipulated into some psychotic-christian war-mongering crap for their own self-serving means. And unfortunately the winners get to rewrite history... The good news is the Irish government has finally woken up and is going to sort out the Catholic Church over its long history of child abuse. At last we should see a lot of them end up in jail in 2010. While you're at it, ask them about ... The custom of drinking for st. patrick's day. How it goes all the way back to when christians wiped out the original Irish Pagan beliefs in the Pagan Deity of Trefuilnid Treochar (whose symbol of power was the shamrock, now stolen for use by the christians' imaginary st. patrick). Didn't realise St Patrick was not real... or at least it wasn't not based on a real person. They tended to base them on something real even if most was make believe. Today's Irish drinking custom stems from trying to forget the loss of their culture and drowning their sorrows. Not sure about that but I will drink to it :-) Trefuilnid Treochar was just renamed into st. patrick so christians wouldn't have to put them to death for worshipping their Pagan Gods. There is a lot of that in Christianity... The allegory of "driving the 'snakes' out of Ireland" is just the christian-invented myth of how they ridded all of Ireland of their original Irish customs, knowledge, wisdoms, beliefs, and Deities. There never were any actual snakes in Ireland, unless you consider the christians themselves. Well the new Irish Government report on the priests abusing children might agree with you. This is the same way that christians obtained all their original saints, by just renaming all the original Pagan's Deities as they wiped out each European regions' culture and ways in their destructive wake and self-serving path across Europe. Also building most of their churches on old Pagan sites. The same as they did in North America and South America. They figured that making human sacrifices of all the European Pagans to their christian god was somehow going against one of their commandments, so christians found a way to stop having to kill all Pagans by just renaming their Deities. The Pagans could then still worship their Pagan Deities but only if they called them by their new christian "saint" names. Otherwise they would still have to be made into human sacrifices to appease their beliefs in a christian god. Which explains some of the "odd" Christian rituals in some parts of the world. Human-sacrifice is quite popular with christians. Just like all the Pagans that were found buried around Stonehenge. The cuts found in the bones of the shallow Pagans' graves all around Stonehenge are now revealed through modern forensics that they could only have been made by christians' swords at the time. Not sure about that... the Christians were not the only people with swords. One of the interesting stories of a PBS series called "Secrets of the Dead". Uncovering the real truths behind all the christian-written false history we were all taught in schools. I know. The winners get to re-write history.... E.g. Syphilis did NOT come from Native Americans and brought back to Europe, as has been mistakenly parroted all these years. Forensics and genetic tracking now proves it originated from a small christian monastery in Europe (is anyone surprised by this?). Syphilis was then brought to North American by christian missionary hypocrites who used Native American women as their sex-slaves. Not surprised but do you have any evidence for this? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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