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Old June 24th 04, 02:15 AM
Bandicoot
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Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
transported back through time for a few thousand years.


[SNIP]

Aspirin. And, in my case, ergotamine. The one modern thing I'd really hate
to be without. Otherwise, as a one time archaeologist, I'd be having a
ball.



Peter


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Old June 24th 04, 02:19 AM
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"Jimmy Smith" wrote in message
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If you brought any advanced technology you would have been killed for
witchcraft. No matter how hard you tried you would not be able to

convince
them otherwise.

Jimmy


Not in every culture, but in quite a few that's what I've always imagined
too, when day-dreaming about it.


Peter


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Old June 24th 04, 02:47 AM
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"Big Bill" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:48:42 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Let's say, through the act of god, or whatever, that you've been
transported back through time for a few thousand years. Would
you've preferred that you have a digital camera? Or a film camera?


There are reasons that technological breakthroughs come when
they do; supporting technology must also be possible.

What would you do with any film you exposed? Did you also
backpack your chemicals? How would you *view* your pics?
Did you also pack in your papers? How about a darkroom?
With digital, how do you view the pics?

Even just getting *water* will be a problem; there's a reason
everyone drank beer & wine: the water was really bad.

I seriously doubt that film, if unprocessed would last to today,
*if* it were discoverd in some dig.


Best bet would be to stick it in a slow moving glacier.

A Compact flash card? It's
plastic; plastic lasts a long time, but not *that* long.


Some years back there was a debate about how to label high level radioactive
waste in ways that would appropriately warn people "Do not dig here or you
will die!" and would last the necessary 20,000 years. Language is not too
tricky: a skull and cross-bones suggests death to any human regardless of
cutural context - the problem is the material. Most things that really last
are also intrinsically valuable or useful. Gold - nah, people would
actively dig it up. Plastics wouldn't last long enough. Even glass makes
excellent flaked cutting tools, and who is to say that in 20 millenia man
won't be back to the stone age.

In the end someone had the sense to ask archaeologists, and the concensus
answer was pottery. Lasts easily for that length of time, and is not very
intrinsically useful: break it and there are no sharp edges, it can't really
be shaped in any worthwhile way. Make it rounded, so you can't build with
it. Bury enough at the site that they have no rarity value and that anyone
digging there will run into them, but not so many that they are worth
exploiting as a raw material (to ballast a boat, say, or to grind up to make
grog tempered earthenware.) I always thought this was a fascinating
exercise.

Then, as others have pointed out, technology, if sufficiently
advanced, is indistinguishable from magic.

However, let's say you could keep your magic private; digital,
with a laptop and a solar recharging unit, would be *far* easier to
use than film.
Film just requires too much technology that wouldn't be availabe
to you; as I said, even clean water will be a problem. A source of
reliable, white light would be another problem.

As for hoping that your pics will survive a thousand years or so
isn't, IMO, a reasonable hope.
Imagine: you've found some way to, say, package your film
(laptop) so that it actually survives. Can you imagine the howls
of laughter from other archeologists when someone announces
the find?


I once dug on a late mediaeval site where we had a student who thought he
knew everything. One day we got a football and painted half of it matt
black and burried it - black half up - in some loose soil (of course we
didn't disturb the real stratigraphy - we were all archaeologists, after
all...) in the area he was digging. Much excitement from him at uncovering
this 'cannon ball', followed by careful cleaning to reveal it, then
incredulity turning to fury as he got beyond the paint and found what it
really was, followed by the rest of us falling about laughing and him
throwing the ball at someone's head.



Peter


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Old June 24th 04, 03:05 AM
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"skymuffins" wrote in message
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[SNIP]
Use the history book to predict events here-and-there, so that
they know you're serious... Enjoy the world like a god!


Actually, all you need in most cultures and times would be an astronomical
almanac. Predicting eclipses and so on would get you all the respect you
needed.

Still, the history book could be handy - any wars coming up, it would be
nice to sure you were on the winning side...


Peter


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Old June 24th 04, 03:20 AM
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Bandicoot wrote:

"skymuffins" wrote in message
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[SNIP]

Use the history book to predict events here-and-there, so that
they know you're serious... Enjoy the world like a god!



Actually, all you need in most cultures and times would be an astronomical
almanac. Predicting eclipses and so on would get you all the respect you
needed.


Assuming you really knew the time and date.

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Old June 24th 04, 03:24 AM
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Phil Wheeler wrote:



Bandicoot wrote:

"skymuffins" wrote in message
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[SNIP]

Use the history book to predict events here-and-there, so that
they know you're serious... Enjoy the world like a god!



Actually, all you need in most cultures and times would be an
astronomical
almanac. Predicting eclipses and so on would get you all the respect you
needed.


Assuming you really knew the time and date.


The almanac idea might work. The history book might provide some
surprises. How well do we really know history that far back?

Phil

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Old June 24th 04, 06:04 AM
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:24:26 GMT, Phil Wheeler
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Phil Wheeler wrote:



Bandicoot wrote:

"skymuffins" wrote in message
...
[SNIP]

Use the history book to predict events here-and-there, so that
they know you're serious... Enjoy the world like a god!



Actually, all you need in most cultures and times would be an
astronomical
almanac. Predicting eclipses and so on would get you all the respect you
needed.


Assuming you really knew the time and date.


The almanac idea might work. The history book might provide some
surprises. How well do we really know history that far back?

Phil


And I would *NOT* use an almanac to be sure I was on the winning side
in a war - I'd use it to make sure I was no where close.
War was *really* hell back then.

Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"
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Old June 24th 04, 10:21 AM
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Default If you are trapped in ancient time, what would you take? M1A1 Abrams, lots of Fuel and AMMO!!!

M1A1 Abrams, lots of Fuel and AMMO!!!


"Big Bill" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:24:26 GMT, Phil Wheeler
wrote:



Phil Wheeler wrote:



Bandicoot wrote:

"skymuffins" wrote in message
...
[SNIP]

Use the history book to predict events here-and-there, so that
they know you're serious... Enjoy the world like a god!



Actually, all you need in most cultures and times would be an
astronomical
almanac. Predicting eclipses and so on would get you all the respect

you
needed.


Assuming you really knew the time and date.


The almanac idea might work. The history book might provide some
surprises. How well do we really know history that far back?

Phil


And I would *NOT* use an almanac to be sure I was on the winning side
in a war - I'd use it to make sure I was no where close.
War was *really* hell back then.

Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"



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Old June 24th 04, 12:02 PM
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Big Bill wrote:

And I would *NOT* use an almanac to be sure I was on the winning side
in a war - I'd use it to make sure I was no where close.
War was *really* hell back then.


That has only marginaly changed. But sure - not being anywhere near a
larger conflict would be good. Problem is, most of the "minor" ones
aren't really known about so its goingto be very hard to do either.


Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"


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Old June 24th 04, 03:01 PM
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In article ,
"Bandicoot" writes:

Aspirin. And, in my case, ergotamine. The one modern thing
I'd really hate to be without. Otherwise, as a one time archaeologist,
I'd be having a ball.


Waterproof matches, Imodium A-D and a small salt shaker.
Overseas travel taught me that chronic dia rrhea can weaken
you so that you can't light a match. And without salt water
the Immodium A-D flows through you so quickly that it is
ineffectual.

I am not qualified to provide medical opinions, but I
survived chronic dia rrhea.

"All Rights Reserved"?
If I 'right' must I reserve?

I got no problems.
Other people got problems.
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