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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:10:24 -0700, Roger N. Clark wrote:
About two weeks ago I left for Hawaii from the Denver airport. I was carrying a small photo backpack with my usual gear, including 2 small allen wrenches for the screws on my Wimberly mounting plates. These are small, ~1 mm and ~2 mm, allen wrenches. I've carried these for a couple of years without a problem. I was flagged for carrying a potential weapon, my bag went through secondary screening, including taking it all apart to find the wrenches. In discussing the issue with TSA, they said there is a "New" rule that says no tools of any kind are allowed as carry-on. A TSA guy said you could poke someone with these wrenches. I pointed out how much smaller and less effective small allen wrenches were than keys or nail clippers (which are allowed). His answer was that the higher ups know more than we do, and the allen wrenches were banned. So don't take any tools on board any more. Roger I've been through The Illusion Of Security at DIA many times, as well. Many confiscations are capricious and arbitrary. If you try to stand your ground, you'll be subjected to a 10-15 search of yourself and your carry-on luggage. Furthermore, every airport seems to make up their own "local" rules. I've had my nail clippers taken, when, as you point out, they are permitted. And, as for tools, except for the thugs working for the TSA, all of us have opposable thumbs, and EVERYTHING is a potential tool. The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras, und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles. So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences... |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:10:24 -0700, Roger N. Clark wrote:
About two weeks ago I left for Hawaii from the Denver airport. I was carrying a small photo backpack with my usual gear, including 2 small allen wrenches for the screws on my Wimberly mounting plates. These are small, ~1 mm and ~2 mm, allen wrenches. I've carried these for a couple of years without a problem. I was flagged for carrying a potential weapon, my bag went through secondary screening, including taking it all apart to find the wrenches. In discussing the issue with TSA, they said there is a "New" rule that says no tools of any kind are allowed as carry-on. A TSA guy said you could poke someone with these wrenches. I pointed out how much smaller and less effective small allen wrenches were than keys or nail clippers (which are allowed). His answer was that the higher ups know more than we do, and the allen wrenches were banned. So don't take any tools on board any more. Roger I've been through The Illusion Of Security at DIA many times, as well. Many confiscations are capricious and arbitrary. If you try to stand your ground, you'll be subjected to a 10-15 search of yourself and your carry-on luggage. Furthermore, every airport seems to make up their own "local" rules. I've had my nail clippers taken, when, as you point out, they are permitted. And, as for tools, except for the thugs working for the TSA, all of us have opposable thumbs, and EVERYTHING is a potential tool. The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras, und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles. So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences... |
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote in message ... About two weeks ago I left for Hawaii from the Denver airport. I was carrying a small photo backpack with my usual gear, including 2 small allen wrenches for the screws on my Wimberly mounting plates. These are small, ~1 mm and ~2 mm, allen wrenches. I've carried these for a couple of years without a problem. I was flagged for carrying a potential weapon, my bag went through secondary screening, including taking it all apart to find the wrenches. In discussing the issue with TSA, they said there is a "New" rule that says no tools of any kind are allowed as carry-on. A TSA guy said you could poke someone with these wrenches. I pointed out how much smaller and less effective small allen wrenches were than keys or nail clippers (which are allowed). His answer was that the higher ups know more than we do, and the allen wrenches were banned. So don't take any tools on board any more. Roger TSA's Web site has a list of items you can't carry on. Some people doing the checking seem to make up their own rules. Feel free to complain. |
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote in message ... About two weeks ago I left for Hawaii from the Denver airport. I was carrying a small photo backpack with my usual gear, including 2 small allen wrenches for the screws on my Wimberly mounting plates. These are small, ~1 mm and ~2 mm, allen wrenches. I've carried these for a couple of years without a problem. I was flagged for carrying a potential weapon, my bag went through secondary screening, including taking it all apart to find the wrenches. In discussing the issue with TSA, they said there is a "New" rule that says no tools of any kind are allowed as carry-on. A TSA guy said you could poke someone with these wrenches. I pointed out how much smaller and less effective small allen wrenches were than keys or nail clippers (which are allowed). His answer was that the higher ups know more than we do, and the allen wrenches were banned. So don't take any tools on board any more. Roger TSA's Web site has a list of items you can't carry on. Some people doing the checking seem to make up their own rules. Feel free to complain. |
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"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message ... I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I want... Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18 wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-) (I dunno, was that over the top, or what?) Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of 11 hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble finding time to get away. |
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"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message ... I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I want... Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18 wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-) (I dunno, was that over the top, or what?) Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of 11 hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble finding time to get away. |
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"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message ... The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras, und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles. So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences... You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. |
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"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message ... The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras, und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles. So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences... You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. |
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"Marvin Margoshes" wrote in message ... TSA's Web site has a list of items you can't carry on. Some people doing the checking seem to make up their own rules. Feel free to complain. The list contains disclaimers which allow local examiners to make up their own rules. If, in the sole opinion of the checker, you are carrying something that could be used as a weapon, then they can confiscate it, fine you, or even have you arrested. If you complain, that is a bad attitude, which automatically doubles your fine and tacks time on your sentence. Read the guidelines for civil actions. It actually says that. |
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