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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows withoutinstalling anything on either
nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K wrote: If your system can't recognise the drive, you'll have to take it to a tech shop that specialises in data recovery. false. there are recovery utilities that do not require a mountable file system. If you cannot get an identity string at BIOS level, it's dead. I think that's what Wolf is referring to. Paul |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
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wrote: If your system can't recognise the drive, you'll have to take it to a tech shop that specialises in data recovery. false. there are recovery utilities that do not require a mountable file system. If you cannot get an identity string at BIOS level, it's dead. then don't use a system that uses bios, a system that doesn't have such a ridiculous limitation. I think that's what Wolf is referring to. i don't know what he's referring to, but the statement as written is false. |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
Paul wrote:
Do you think Microsoft Support phone numbers will handle a call on Win 10 corruption due to the Microsoft Update? They might. Today the Microsoft Support Tier 2 technician tried to "repair" the Windows 10 Pro HDD that Microsoft Windows Update bricked about a month ago. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/4xt104h.jpg They failed. It took /hours/, where the 2nd tier Microsoft Technical Support (+1-800-642-7676) stuck with me the entire time. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/4xt104i.jpg Since the OS wouldn't boot, screenshots were out of the question. So I snapped scores of new photos with the spare Moto G Android phone of exactly the procedure Microsoft followed during the hours it took to fail, and I transferred those photos to this computer using the "it just works" method described in this thread. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/4xt104g.jpg Are you willing to let them remote in ? Yes. I already physically replaced the HDD that Microsoft Update bricked, which needed Office 2007 Pro, where Microsoft Technical Support (+1-800-360-7561) remotely installed and activated MS Office for me earlier today. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ice2007_16.jpg They remoted into my machine in order for them to manually install Microsoft Office 2007 Pro for me earlier today, all the steps of which are fully documented in screenshots for group tribal knowledge here. SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/7ru4_AyhPCY Some people value their privacy more than they value a "repair". All I care about is my data, where they would be bored to tears if they looked at it - but my data is important to me (pictures of the grandkids, financial records, thousands of DIY photos, etc.). I let Microsoft remote in a second time today because they needed to create a bootable media for me on a known-good computer, we created 1709 bootable DVD media to attempt to repair the bricked Microsoft Windows 10 Pro. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/6xt104j.jpg Can you explain, succinctly, to the person on the phone, what you did to the disk right after the incident ? Hmmm... I'm not known to be laconic. I explained that I hit /every/ button that the recovery console provided /except/ the one that wipes out everything and reinstalls Windows 10 Pro. In other words, things that might have complicated the situation. The only thing I did that might complicate things is the DISM command you suggested, where the 2nd tier support at Microsoft told me that they never use DISM on a system that doesn't already boot. I don't remember what the DISM command was that I used, but we documented it in a prior psot so I can dig it up (they didn't seem to care since that X:\ command prompt is the one step they never use, they told me. You may have tried that DISM command to back out a half-finished update. That might have been one of them. Maybe it was "revert" something-or-other. The first command is to back out a patch that didn't actually install. The second one would be backing out a patch that did install. DISM /image:c:\ /cleanup-image /revertpendingactions DISM /image:c:\ /remove-package /_packagename_ Yup. I ran whatever DISM you had suggested at the time, but they told me that DISM won't do anything on a system that won't boot except to the recovery console. On a damaged disk, "CHKDSK" is a "repair-in-place" utility. You *must* make a backup before using it, or possibly forever lose access to the data. CHKDSK is *not* a utility for casual usage. You can't run CHKDSK if the disk won't mount. It's perfectly safe when the disk is healthy... and quite deadly when the disk is sick. There's nothing wrong with the disk (AFAIK). It's the Microsoft Update that bricked it. I suspect it's because I customized the hell out of that system, to the point that Microsoft Updates didn't work at all until recently. Then wham! Windows Update bricked the system. The tech support said it's because the HP machine I'm using doesn't have drivers from HP for Win10 but I suspect it's just poor coding that can't handle customizations. Lesson learned - don't customize Windows 10 Pro too much. It's a paradox to be resolved by creating a backup before you use it. Even the twit on the phone should know that. There's no way to make a backup if you can't "mount" the data. (I see your suggestion for ddrescue below... see below for details.) We ended up making a support appointment at the nearest Microsoft Support Center, which, in the Silicon Valley, is open the strangest hours! Monday = Midnight to Midnight Tuesday = Noon to 9:30PM Wednesday = 10am to Midnight Thursday = 10 am to 9:30 PM Friday = 10 am to 9:30 PM Saturday = 10 am to 9:30 PM Sunday = Closed Before you allow a twit to work on that disk, you back it up. In case my little description didn't paint a vivid enough picture for you. I can't imagine how to back up a disk that can't be mounted. (I see your suggestion for ddrescue below... see below for details.) As you know, I plugged it into an SATA/IDE/PATA adapter but a known good Windows 10 computer wouldn't mount it. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...sb_adapter.jpg Even when you take a computer to the computer store or to Geek Squad for repair, you back it up first!!! How do you back up a terabyte HDD that won't mount? (I see your suggestion for ddrescue below... see below for details.) No exceptions. You can use ddrescue for this, if you cannot find anything else to use. Googling for "ddrescue" canonical site, it looks like it's dead: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ddrescueview/ Maybe the GNU link is the canonical site? http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ It's a gunzipped tarball, so I'll deal with that. Seems to have some associated utilities but they don't work on Windows. DDRescue-GUI - A simple GUI (Graphical User Interface) for ddrescue. http://www.hamishmb.altervista.org/h...e=ddrescue-gui And they're dead links anyway: Ddrescueview - A graphical viewer for GNU ddrescue log files. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ddrescueview/ Ddrutility - A set of tools designed to work with ddrescue to aid with data recovery. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ddrutility/ I'll read up s'more on ddrescue. Thanks. We should probably take this out of the r.p.d ng because it's off topic so I'll post a separate thread. |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
Wolf K wrote:
Do you think Microsoft Support phone numbers will handle a call on Win 10 corruption due to the Microsoft Update? I doubt it, but always worth a try. Turns out that Microsoft Tier 2 tech support (+1-800-642-7676) walks you through all the steps to try to recover a system bricked by Windows Update. 1. First they walk you through all the recovery options on the HDD itself, 2. Then they create a bootable DVD for you if you have another system, 3. Then they walk you through those same options using the bootable DVD The recovery at #1 and #3 failed so I have an appointment at a Microsoft Store in the middle of Silicon Valley, since I have to be at the convention center the rest of the week anyway. For recovering data off a trashed HDD: Does Windows recognise it, ie, assign a drive letter? Nope. I tried two things that would work with most bricked systems. A. It won't boot except to the blue Windows recovery consoles, and, B. It isn't recognized except as an unknown USB drive when plugged into an SATA adapter I bought at the local Silicon Valley Fryes for this purpose. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...sb_adapter.jpg The even if Win can't read the data, you should be able to get it. Yup. You're correct. If some kind of recovery tool could "mount" the drive, I'd be home free. I haven't tried a Linux rescue CD because my Linux laptop fan died and I haven't replaced the fan yet. I recommend Recuva, which I've used with great success. Thanks for that suggestion, where I googled for the canonical Recuva location, which seems to be the Ccleaner site: http://www.ccleaner.com/recuva https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva/download There are other data recovery programs, other people will no doubt give their recommendations. I will follow your advice, and that of Paul, by backing up what I can, but one issue with a dd command is that the new disk is 1TB while the old disk is 1TB so it's not going to work unless I buy a third HDD of at least 1TB. There are also Linux-based tools, which can be run off a live CD, but as with Windows, Linux has to be able to recognise it (mount it). Thanks for that suggestion. Googling, I found Knoppix live DVD software http://knoppix.net/ which has a bit torrent mechanism for faster downloading: http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/ KNOPPIX_V8.1-2017-09-05-EN http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/sta...a 0170753eec6 Since this is a brand new Win10 Pro installation, I had to dig up a bit torrent client to use since the one recommended and linked to on the Knoppix site above is a dead link: http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download.html So I downloaded and installed uTorrent, which I've used in the past for Linux ISO downloads to use within Windows inside VirtualBox. http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/co.../stable/os/win If your system can't recognise the drive, you'll have to take it to a tech shop that specialises in data recovery. Since I'll be in San Jose, Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Mountainview, and Santa Clara all this week, I already have an appointment at the Microsoft Store at Westfield Valley Fair, 2855 Stevenscreek Blvd, Suite 1135, 2nd floor, +1-408-454-5940 |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows withoutinstalling anything on either
ultred ragnusen wrote:
I'll read up s'more on ddrescue. Thanks. We should probably take this out of the r.p.d ng because it's off topic so I'll post a separate thread. If you have something like Ubuntu, try "gddrescue". The package name and the executable name, don't have to be the same. That's what adds to the joy of figuring it out. ddrescue is a utility that tolerates "CRC error" when reading a disk. You can make one run after another, and the "log" file keeps track of what sectors have not been recovered yet. Looking at the log, you get some idea how much damage remains (in terms of CRC errors). The items are source disk destination disk log file You present the same log file to the tool, every time you run the same source and dest. The log file gets updated when hard-to-read sectors are finally captured. Eventually, after enough passes, there will be some sectors that will never be read. And you hope that those are replaced by zeros. Then, if you run CHKDSK on that destination drive, it might be able to restore enough of the disk, to get (most) of the data off it. ddrescue is mechanical and captures sectors. It doesn't know or care whether the partition is NTFS or EXT4. Doesn't matter. It relies on other tools, to make sense of what it captured. The "logical" state of the file system is another matter entirely. For example, my Windows 10 Insider partition that had volume bitmap corruption and some damage to Extended Attributes, I could use ddrescue on that hard drive, and it would complete the transfer in only one pass (the log file would be clean). No second pass would be needed. But in order to correct the damage on the disk, it takes a couple CHKDSK commands to finish the job. I don't really care all that much, what happens to my Windows 10 Insider installs, as Windows 10 is the "software as a service" OS, and it should "run like a King". It's simply not possible for a product like that, to be bricked... Right ? :-/ This would be an example of backing up a hard drive, to an "image file". The "image file" could be restored to a new hard drive later, say. The "S" argument in this example is sparse. For experiments of this kind, I can prepare /dev/sdb in advance to contain mostly zeroed data files. When the backup is written out, it need not take much space on the storage device. This allows backup experiments with only a small amount of real space on the destination. I think the -b parameter sets the max transfer size. The command is adaptive and adjusts the block transfer according to how "bad" the disk is. The block size is increased, as long as it improves the overall transfer rate. If the fastest transfer is happening with 4KB blocks, then it'll use 4KB transfers instead. ddrescue -S -b8M /dev/sdb /mount/external/backup/sdb.raw /mount/external/backup/sdb.log Because there was nothing wrong with the disk, I had no real opportunity to craft a "second pass" command for it. So that command is for the first pass. You can open the log in a text editor, and see what remains to be transferred and whether another pass is required. Paul |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windows without installing anything on either
Paul wrote:
I'll read up s'more on ddrescue. Thanks. We should probably take this out of the r.p.d ng because it's off topic so I'll post a separate thread. If you have something like Ubuntu, try "gddrescue". The fan died on my Ubuntu 16.04 laptop, but I can torrent the Ubuntu ISO and boot off of it or even re-install VirtualBox (although it took a long time before I had VirtualBox working on the original HDD). I did torrent Knoppix though and burned it to a bootable DVD image, although even with almost 2,500 peers, it still took a long while to torrent. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix1.jpg The package name and the executable name, don't have to be the same. That's what adds to the joy of figuring it out. I think I'll try Knoppix first, and then, perhaps Recuva, where your advice to back up the data /before/ handing the desktop tower to Microsoft is good advice. ddrescue is a utility that tolerates "CRC error" when reading a disk. You can make one run after another, and the "log" file keeps track of what sectors have not been recovered yet. Looking at the log, you get some idea how much damage remains (in terms of CRC errors). Personally, I don't think there is any /damage/ to the HDD; I think it's as simple as Microsoft Windows Update screwed up, perhaps because I had customized the heck out of the system (Winaero, Classic Shell, etc.). ddrescue is mechanical and captures sectors. It doesn't know or care whether the partition is NTFS or EXT4. Doesn't matter. Thanks for the ddrescue advice. I'm not sure yet if it's a standalone bootable tool or something that runs inside of Windows or Linux but I'll work it out after trying out Knoppix with the bad HDD connected via the SATA adapter to the USB port on the desktop booted to Knoppix. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix2.jpg |
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A simple way to transfer photos from your phone to Windowswithout installing anything on either
On 2/23/2018 9:11 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
Wolf K wrote: Do you think Microsoft Support phone numbers will handle a call on Win 10 corruption due to the Microsoft Update? I doubt it, but always worth a try. Turns out that Microsoft Tier 2 tech support (+1-800-642-7676) walks you through all the steps to try to recover a system bricked by Windows Update. 1. First they walk you through all the recovery options on the HDD itself, 2. Then they create a bootable DVD for you if you have another system, 3. Then they walk you through those same options using the bootable DVD The recovery at #1 and #3 failed so I have an appointment at a Microsoft Store in the middle of Silicon Valley, since I have to be at the convention center the rest of the week anyway. For recovering data off a trashed HDD: Does Windows recognise it, ie, assign a drive letter? Nope. I tried two things that would work with most bricked systems. A. It won't boot except to the blue Windows recovery consoles, and, B. It isn't recognized except as an unknown USB drive when plugged into an SATA adapter I bought at the local Silicon Valley Fryes for this purpose. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...sb_adapter.jpg The even if Win can't read the data, you should be able to get it. Yup. You're correct. If some kind of recovery tool could "mount" the drive, I'd be home free. I haven't tried a Linux rescue CD because my Linux laptop fan died and I haven't replaced the fan yet. I recommend Recuva, which I've used with great success. Thanks for that suggestion, where I googled for the canonical Recuva location, which seems to be the Ccleaner site: http://www.ccleaner.com/recuva https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva/download There are other data recovery programs, other people will no doubt give their recommendations. I will follow your advice, and that of Paul, by backing up what I can, but one issue with a dd command is that the new disk is 1TB while the old disk is 1TB so it's not going to work unless I buy a third HDD of at least 1TB. There are also Linux-based tools, which can be run off a live CD, but as with Windows, Linux has to be able to recognise it (mount it). Thanks for that suggestion. Googling, I found Knoppix live DVD software http://knoppix.net/ which has a bit torrent mechanism for faster downloading: http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/ KNOPPIX_V8.1-2017-09-05-EN http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/sta...a 0170753eec6 Since this is a brand new Win10 Pro installation, I had to dig up a bit torrent client to use since the one recommended and linked to on the Knoppix site above is a dead link: http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download.html So I downloaded and installed uTorrent, which I've used in the past for Linux ISO downloads to use within Windows inside VirtualBox. http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/co.../stable/os/win If your system can't recognise the drive, you'll have to take it to a tech shop that specialises in data recovery. Since I'll be in San Jose, Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Mountainview, and Santa Clara all this week, I already have an appointment at the Microsoft Store at Westfield Valley Fair, 2855 Stevenscreek Blvd, Suite 1135, 2nd floor, +1-408-454-5940 You can do a startup repair and then a complete 10 repair install with a free w10 dvd (you d/l the iso for). w10 disk image https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 If you can't boot from the hdd, boot from the dvd and run the startup repair. If that is successful and you can boot from the hdd you can reinstall all of the w10 system files while retaining your programs, settings, and data, if needed. w10 repair install procedure https://neosmart.net/wiki/windows-10...-installation/ |
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On 2018-02-22 19:42, ultred ragnusen wrote:
Wolf K wrote: AFAIK, Windows sees all USB-connected cameras, including phones. But unlike USB flash-drives, they do not have to be Removed. Just unplug them when you're done. THANK YOU for that hint! I hope it's true, because it's a pain to have to wait to shut it down first, but where I've had to laboriously recover (e.g., Recuva) data big time by not shutting down the drive with USB HDD drives after copying over large amounts of data. So it's nice to know (if it's true) that you can just unplug a phone without worry of data corruption. Not entirely true. There will not be filesystem corruption, but if a file was being written it will be incomplete (and possibly deleted). And if there is a bunch of files waiting to be transferred, they won't. Going through the motions of secure removal will ensure all the files are written. MTP does file by file individual and complete operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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ultred ragnusen wrote:
Paul wrote: I'll read up s'more on ddrescue. Thanks. We should probably take this out of the r.p.d ng because it's off topic so I'll post a separate thread. If you have something like Ubuntu, try "gddrescue". The fan died on my Ubuntu 16.04 laptop, but I can torrent the Ubuntu ISO and boot off of it or even re-install VirtualBox (although it took a long time before I had VirtualBox working on the original HDD). I did torrent Knoppix though and burned it to a bootable DVD image, although even with almost 2,500 peers, it still took a long while to torrent. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix1.jpg The package name and the executable name, don't have to be the same. That's what adds to the joy of figuring it out. I think I'll try Knoppix first, and then, perhaps Recuva, where your advice to back up the data /before/ handing the desktop tower to Microsoft is good advice. ddrescue is a utility that tolerates "CRC error" when reading a disk. You can make one run after another, and the "log" file keeps track of what sectors have not been recovered yet. Looking at the log, you get some idea how much damage remains (in terms of CRC errors). Personally, I don't think there is any /damage/ to the HDD; I think it's as simple as Microsoft Windows Update screwed up, perhaps because I had customized the heck out of the system (Winaero, Classic Shell, etc.). ddrescue is mechanical and captures sectors. It doesn't know or care whether the partition is NTFS or EXT4. Doesn't matter. Thanks for the ddrescue advice. I'm not sure yet if it's a standalone bootable tool or something that runs inside of Windows or Linux but I'll work it out after trying out Knoppix with the bad HDD connected via the SATA adapter to the USB port on the desktop booted to Knoppix. http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix2.jpg Since the disk is "suspected good" at the hardware level, you can use "dd" on it. Knoppix will have a copy. Every Linux distro has "dd" on it. The "dd" utility does not tolerate CRC errors like gddrescue does. Which is fine with your hard drive. sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/sparedrive/bigdisk.bin bs=512 count=... That's the general format for storing every sector on a hard drive, as a "very large file" stored on a second disk. If you have two 1TB drives, then obviously when you make the /media/sparedrive partition, it will be slightly smaller than the thing you are copying. However, sometimes partitions support compression. You can also chain commands together in the command line. Adjust the arithmetic product of blocksize and count parameters, so the entire disk is copied. Unlike gddrescue with its adaptive transfer scheme, "dd" expects you to do the math and copy as much or as little of the drive as you'd like. For example, the second command here would transfer around 1.2GB or so. sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=12345678 | gzip -3 /media/sparedrive/bigdisk.bin.gz sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=1048576 count=1234 | gzip -3 /media/sparedrive/bigdisk.bin.gz Since you're in Linux, you can try... sudo fdisk /dev/sda and get size info for the disk. Then, use the factor program, to see what number makes a good fit for blocksize "bs" parameter. (bs * count) must equal the total size info you got. factor 123456789 ******* Let's try an example. This is a disk sitting on my Test Machine. ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sda Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.27.1). Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. Be careful before using the write command. Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/sda: 477 GiB, 512110190592 bytes, 1000215216 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x72ca3ed1 Now I type "q" to quit, and move on to the next command. ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ factor 512110190592 512110190592: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 7 11 13 257 ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ 2^13 = 8192, which is a pretty small block size. Some newer drives will run at the sustained transfer rate, even with that small of a block size parameter. What I can do, is throw in 3^3 to make it a bit larger. 2^13 * 3^3 = 221184 bytes. Dividing 512110190592 by 221184, completes the job (2315313) To copy my 500GB specimen, I'd use sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/sparedrive/bigdisk.bin bs=221184 count=2315313 knowing that I'm getting every sector of the source. If the destination drive is slightly too small, I have the option of piping the output into a compression command of some sort. There's possibly a p7zip-full package and a command line 7zip invocation to achieve a higher compression ratio. But it would be significantly slower. There is also the pigz package, which is like gzip only it allows more than one CPU core to be used. The ZIP that 7ZIP does, uses a single core by comparison, when compressing. Some other 7ZIP formats, use multiple cores. sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=221184 count=2315313 | pigz -3 -p 4 out.bin.gz Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure out something. To restore the disk later, it would be something like unpigz -c out.bin.gz | sudo dd of=/dev/sda bs=221184 count=2315313 On some platforms, you can use if=- to stand for "stdin" and of=- for "stdout". But it's also possible the command understands the piping situation and the "missing" portion of the command, to mean the same thing. That's why my last command doesn't have an input file specification. To do something like this (i.e. not specify if= and of=), it's going to copy stdin to stdout. cat sample.bin | dd destination.bin If I wanted to be more explicit I could do this cat sample.bin | dd if=- of=- destination.bin or even cat sample.bin | dd if=- of=destination.bin would copy the file in chunks of 512 bytes. The pipe symbol has a buffer which is larger than that, so the chunks are probably of no consequence. Running dd with default bs=512 is usually pretty slow and only does around 13MB/sec. ******* There's also things like clonezilla. For example, making an exact copy of one terabyte disk to a second terabyte disk. Sometimes you get lucky, and they're the same size. Since you have the sudo fdisk command to check the exact size of each drive, you can check the drives before deciding what to do. I've not used clonezilla, so cannot give a rundown on any "tricks". https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu...ll-clonezilla/ Paul |
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On 24/02/2018 08:07, Mike S wrote:
You can do a startup repair and then a complete 10 repair install with a free w10 dvd (you d/l the iso for). w10 disk image https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 As I'm using a Mac, I was redirected to this URL to download the ISO:- https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO Once I burn the ISO to a disk will it be 'bootable' or will additional action be required first? If you can't boot from the hdd, boot from the dvd and run the startup repair. If that is successful and you can boot from the hdd you can reinstall all of the w10 system files while retaining your programs, settings, and data, if needed. w10 repair install procedure https://neosmart.net/wiki/windows-10...-installation/ That is helpful advice! -- David B. |
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