Photoshop CC problem(s)

On Jan 18, 2021, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In article
l-september.org, Bill
W wrote:

This does help me understand the attraction of
the whole Apple system. No problems on my iPad or on the MacBook.
Coincidentally, I just use them, instead of constantly finding 3better2
ways to do things, and to tweak them. Isn1t that odd?

not to those who use them.

but if you do want to tweak them, there are plenty of ways to do it,
more, actually, than on windows.

Yes, I did stumble across those ³secret" areas... I think maybe I¹ll just
stay out.

i was thinking more of various third party apps than 'secret areas'.

I was referring to the command line stuff. I am trying to avoid even those 3d
party apps for now. I’m still not pushing the MacBook. I’ve installed all
the photo software I use, and a lot of the music software, but I’m still
not using it for that. It’s still sort of a backup for the day when a small
explosive device interferes with that Windows PC. I have a temper.

I think sometimes about installing Windows on an external drive,
but then I think, ³why²? I still haven¹t found one thing I can¹t do
with Mac apps.

how about being able to misconfigure it so much that photoshop takes 2
hours to open a photo...

I think I could pull it off. I have great confidence in my klutz abilities.

In article
l-september.org, Bill
W wrote:

but if you do want to tweak them, there are plenty of ways to do it,
more, actually, than on windows.

Yes, I did stumble across those 3secret" areas... I think maybe I1ll just
stay out.

i was thinking more of various third party apps than 'secret areas'.

I was referring to the command line stuff. I am trying to avoid even those 3d
party apps for now. I¹m still not pushing the MacBook. I¹ve installed all
the photo software I use, and a lot of the music software, but I¹m still
not using it for that. It¹s still sort of a backup for the day when a small
explosive device interferes with that Windows PC. I have a temper.

check out https://rogueamoeba.com

I think sometimes about installing Windows on an external drive,
but then I think, 3why2? I still haven1t found one thing I can1t do
with Mac apps.

how about being able to misconfigure it so much that photoshop takes 2
hours to open a photo...

I think I could pull it off. I have great confidence in my klutz abilities.

you could use the command line to drop a forkbomb, although that will
affect far more than photoshop.

On Jan 18, 2021, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In article
l-september.org, Bill
W wrote:

but if you do want to tweak them, there are plenty of ways to do it,
more, actually, than on windows.

Yes, I did stumble across those 3secret" areas... I think maybe I1ll just
stay out.

i was thinking more of various third party apps than 'secret areas'.

I was referring to the command line stuff. I am trying to avoid even those
3d
party apps for now. I¹m still not pushing the MacBook. I¹ve installed all
the photo software I use, and a lot of the music software, but I¹m still
not using it for that. It¹s still sort of a backup for the day when a small
explosive device interferes with that Windows PC. I have a temper.

check out https://rogueamoeba.com

Looks interesting. I’ll have to check them all out when I get more time.

I think sometimes about installing Windows on an external drive,
but then I think, 3why2? I still haven1t found one thing I can1t do
with Mac apps.

how about being able to misconfigure it so much that photoshop takes 2
hours to open a photo...

I think I could pull it off. I have great confidence in my klutz abilities.

you could use the command line to drop a forkbomb, although that will
affect far more than photoshop.

I am quite capable of inadvertently doing that sort of thing. I used to play
around a lot with C and C++. I remember writing a program to securely delete
a file. But I forgot to write the code that told the program to delete the
file actually selected by the user. I have no idea which random files got
deleted when I was testing it.

On 19/01/2021 01:47, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 01:13:35 +0000, Melanie van Buren
wrote:

As for you photoshop problems:

I've been around tech for years and gearhead talk or offering free tech
support beyond an occasional minimum doesn't interest me one little bit.
Been there, done that. From experience: A.) If you cannot solve a
problem in the first 10 minutes in all likelyhood you never will. B.)
Most problems are caused by user error. I would also add C.) Most
general populations perform at the average hence 99% of the chat in this
topic is noise as random levers are pulled. This is often caused by D.)
Not having the correct understanding or information at stage one. Which
brings us to step E.) Wipe and reinstall. It's not ideal and nobody
learns anything and it covers up flawed products but solves a lot of
problems. Just don't do it again...

I am persistent. I have solved my problems (I think) not within 10
minutes but after several days. If somebody's problem doesn't interest
you and you can't help, then just ignore it. Don't let it worry you.
But it worried hell out of me. I was wanting to try something new and
the damned software wouldn't work!

Don't let Savage duck worry you either. He is a technical
perfectionist but hardly has an artistic bone in his body. :-)
Did you follow up the link to the tree that I gave you?

Yes, that's what I did. I don't see any point in gearheading and other
stuff when it's just spinning wheels to score points and pass the time
away. Mistakes happen and as you note can take days to sort out. Been there.

I haven't followed any links up to avoid adding to the nonsense plus I
prefer picture links with a description and commentary to give context
and saving clicking on junk. I've also been busy glancing through images
by the competition to get a sense of where they are at and the market
they are creating and anything of technical or artistic merit for ideas.

I've had a few things arrive in the post and some things still in
delivery I want to try on to see if they work in photos and/or with
clients. I bought one skirt because of a Helmut Newton picture but its
style is a bit off. I don't know if it will or won't work plus I'm
lacking a few other things I need to source and they're not always cheap
or sometimes go out of supply. Now I need to work out what can go with
what, should I keep it for civilian life or work, and what pictures if
any can be constructed from this. It can take a few weeks or months for
an idea to come together and be able to shoot it. as an example I
discovered I have what I need to take to take a picture similar to one I
saw on Getty Images but not before the summer or outside of a studio or
staged scene. I think I can use this skirt easily possibly with a pair
of seamed stockings and heels but then I need to get the light and scene
right and I can't do that yet and that's before whether I can make a
collection out of it. I could rattle off a 100 pictures and could use
the majority and nobody would complain but I'm aiming for a notch above
so lucky if I get a dozen I can use. The rest are filler I can use for
other things but long term I'd rather not as I want everything I use to
be to a standard and this will take more practice.

I also want a few silky tops to show a hint of you know what underneath
and not quite sure what I need so it's taking a while to get everything
so I can begin putting ideas together. Anyone can wear something glam
and show everything off but doing something a bit more subtle is more
work. That's before I even touch a shutter.

I haven't even touched props or people (if any and likely not
identifiable) in the background yet.

--
Melanie van Buren

On 18/01/2021 11:30 am, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 18, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 13:31:11 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

What help? Nobody here actually wants to make the effort of discussing
art and photography or anything I'm interested in. Gearhead talk doesn't
rock my boat even if it is the lazy option.

This thread relates to Eric, a long time subscriber to this NG having a problem with Photoshop. If you hadn’t been paying attention you should be aware that Photoshop is an editing tool that most serious photographers, pro & amateur use as a fundamental part of their photography workflow.

As for photography, from time to time some of us actually post images, and sometimes we might get a comment or two.

Perhaps you should exercise your particular boredom over at alt.binaries.photos.original. The folks there might applaud your artistry.

Both of us have posted photographs to this group from time to time but
neither of us lately (I am not ignoring your drone videos but they are
a different class of object). But I must say you are in danger of
turning into a grumpy old man. :-)

I am trying my best to be a subtle grumpy old man.


Doing a very good job I think. I'll be 81 in February and my grumpiness with
telemarketers in the past ten years has gone through the roof works so well they
never call back. Never!

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 8:20:57 PM UTC-5, Melanie van Buren wrote:
On 18/01/2021 14:52, -hh wrote:

Perhaps I'm a bit biased, coming from an 'Art Education' heritage, but what
'Melanie' shared just isn't art. Its not even a decent tribute copy.

Well, duh. I never trained as an artist and very clearly stated in my
first thread that I'm learning from the starting point of where I am at.
Critique and pruduction is very different as you *should* know.

True, but that's also not an excuse for not even getting the basics right.
I'd excuse these if you were a kid, but even without any training or reading,
most beginners have the 'gearhead' basics sorted by the time they're 13.


I'm also juggling a lot of other factors I'm not discussing with you or
you re not taking into account so basically you can go stick your
attitude. From my point of view you haven't said anything interesting or
valuable just sat there being silent or as now sniping from the
sidelines.

Well, here's some advice: your biggest problem is your attitude. It is
what's presently holding you back.


I'm not unfamiliar with art and fairly happy with my
critiquing skills based on past experience offline so again you can
stick the attitude. Put it this way - I don't see you producing anything
other than book smart wanky attitude.

Just because you've not looked, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


-hh

On 19/01/2021 11:22, -hh wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 8:20:57 PM UTC-5, Melanie van Buren wrote:
On 18/01/2021 14:52, -hh wrote:

Well, here's some advice: your biggest problem is your attitude. It is
what's presently holding you back.

My attitude? Every tried actually reading and *comprehending* what I've
discussed instead of shoving your worldview in my face?. Go sling it...


--
Melanie van Buren

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, Melanie van Buren wrote:
On 19/01/2021 11:22, -hh wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 8:20:57 PM UTC-5, Melanie van Buren wrote:
On 18/01/2021 14:52, -hh wrote:

Well, here's some advice: your biggest problem is your attitude. It is
what's presently holding you back.

My attitude? Every tried actually reading and *comprehending* what I've
discussed instead of shoving your worldview in my face?. Go sling it...

Quod erat demonstrandum


-hh

In article
.com,
says...
Not odd at all. I like the idea of having a computer system that just works without the need for geekish tinkering.

Same here. I've lost long ago the interest in tweaking PCs (in
fact, I've never been really interested).

And luckily all PCs here in use work fine. It's just the
wireless printers which occasionally cause problems.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:00:14 -0600, Bill W
wrote:

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In fact, I like it opening in ACR and I am interested to note that the
Preferences setting now seems to turn it off. I haven't yet tried the
Shift key when opening.

OOPS! The Preferences setting now no longer seems to turn it off.

I still think that’s a system setting. You leave it checked if you want raw
files associated with PS/ACR. But either way, what happens when you simply
double click a raw file in Windows explorer both with it checked and with it
unchecked? And are you aware of the vertical menu bar along the upper right
in ACR? If you don’t have edit selected (I believe the top entry), you
might not get the sliders that you say are missing.

AFAIK that menu bars is a fixed part of what Adobe calls the dialog
box. its a quick way of selecting which group of editing controls you
want to have conversation with. It doesn't actually turn anything on
or off.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens