How to remove Rootkit malware from an Apple computer

In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

there was little slower than copying a file from floppy to floppy in the
first Macintosh's it was a real pain, and the worst feature, it could
take
dozens of floppy swaps for a of a few k in size.

that's what a second floppy drive is for.

If you could,afford the extra cost most PCs we had were cheaper and had 2
floppy drive.

they didn't do anywhere near as much.

for one, they were stuck with dos versus a powerful gui and wysiwyg
apps, plus they were a *lot* harder to manage.

In the early days of home computers, DOS was what we had.

the early days of home computers predated dos.

initially it was toggling front panel switches on an altair or imsai,
later cassette and floppy disks for apple & cp/m systems. dos came
later.

however, that's not relevant since the discussion is about macs and
their pricing compared to pcs, which means it's *not* the early days,
but rather the mid-80s and beyond.

In an educational setting (such as Whiskey-Dave's case), if the student
found DOS a lot harder to manage, his grades would have reflected his
difficulties. DOS was what we had, and it was what we used.

grades have no relevance to operating system.

but at least you *could* copy files between floppy disks using only one
floppy drive, something which was not possible at all on a pc.

I'm pretty sure it was possible.

it is not.

diskcopy a: a:
Assuming the floppy is the a: drive.

dos does not know the difference between floppy disks, nor can it.
there is no provision to name them.

mac disks, floppy or hard drive, have names and the system can
differentiate among them even if the names are identical.

two floppy disks, both named 'untitled' are different to the os. that
means if you put the wrong floppy disk into a mac, it will eject it and
ask for the correct one. it's *not* possible to mistakenly overwrite
the wrong floppy simply by copying a document.

a dos system won't do that. put the wrong floppy disk into a: and
you'll overwrite what you wish you hadn't.

put apps and documents on the hard drive

They didn't exist for Macs and few could afford the first ones.
The first we bought was a Apple 20MB HD costing £500

so they did exist.
Not for the first year or so, after the first Apple Macintosh was released.

there were several third party options towards the end of 1984.

it takes time to design and manufacture something.

And again at much higher cost partly due to having to be external and SCSI.

scsi didn't exist for the early macs, however, it was *much* better
than ide on pcs.

If SCSI didn't exist, how could it be much better than IDE?

read it again, this time for comprehension.

and then there is no need to
use the floppy drive anymore,

Plenty of reasons for students in a lab and even researchers.

no there wasn't. sharing files can be done far more easily and much
faster over the network, which every mac had built in since day one.

Not between separate labs and building. Although I was the 1st person to
use
appletalk between two floors.

yes between separate labs and buildings. even across cities and towns.

Networking electronically is not *always* faster; it depends on the
infrastructure available at the location.

yes it is.

In 2010, a carrier pigeon carrying a USB stick with a 300MB file made
the 120Km from Yorkshire to Skegness in 75 minutes, while British
Telcom's "high speed service" had only managed to transfer 24% of the file.
In 2009, Winston the carrier pigeon in South Africa carried a 4GB USB
stick 60 miles in 2 hours, while the ADSL service managed to transfer 4%
of the data.

contrived scenario and you know it.

do you have a cage full of carrier pigeons in your house, ready to fly?
didn't think so.

Sometimes, even today, "sneakerNet" is faster.

it isn't, especially today, with gigabit networks being standard and
10g-e starting to become common, and with lte nearly everywhere and 5g
coming soon.

one reason why it was removed with the first imac.

That took over a decade to happen.

no.

When did Apple first remove the 3.5" drive then, why not remove it
from the first Macs with built in HDs if they weren't required ?

whoosh.

Seems like a valid question for someone with your historic and
voluminous knowledge of Apple.

nope. he obviously didn't read what was written. nor did you.

On 4/9/2020 9:16 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

Most relied on floppies from magazines for system updates and even
installing
software which other companies supplied, such as photoshop and Word excel
and PP.

magazines didn't include floppy disks. updates were mailed or
downloaded.

Magazines did include floppy disks; most of them labeled either "AOL" or
"Compuserve". Some of the "geek" magazines in the early days did include
a disk of the software they published.

aol disks were distributed everywhere, including airline meals and
sometimes magazines. that's called *advertising* and *not* what he was
referring to.

the point is that normal everyday software was *not* distributed via a
floppy disk in a magazine, nor could it, as it would be impractical and
cost prohibitive. software was distributed as a boxed copy (sometimes
just a shrinkwrapped package for low budget titles) or available online
to download, even in the early days. btdt.

However, in the 1990's (at least), software on CD-ROMs was sometimes
distributed with computer magazines (a plastic bag, around the mag, held
the CD in).

In fact, in 1996, that's how I finally got a good ISP, called
"Concentric." (Now defunct, sadly.)

John


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In article , John Turco
wrote:

Most relied on floppies from magazines for system updates and even
installing
software which other companies supplied, such as photoshop and Word excel
and PP.

magazines didn't include floppy disks. updates were mailed or
downloaded.

Magazines did include floppy disks; most of them labeled either "AOL" or
"Compuserve". Some of the "geek" magazines in the early days did include
a disk of the software they published.

aol disks were distributed everywhere, including airline meals and
sometimes magazines. that's called *advertising* and *not* what he was
referring to.

the point is that normal everyday software was *not* distributed via a
floppy disk in a magazine, nor could it, as it would be impractical and
cost prohibitive. software was distributed as a boxed copy (sometimes
just a shrinkwrapped package for low budget titles) or available online
to download, even in the early days. btdt.

However, in the 1990's (at least), software on CD-ROMs was sometimes
distributed with computer magazines (a plastic bag, around the mag, held
the CD in). In fact, in 1996, that's how I finally got a good ISP, called
"Concentric." (Now defunct, sadly.)

that was an ad, not real software.

On 10/04/2020 12:28 am, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Don't know about on Macs at the time, but on others was always a trivial
exercise to add an additional floppy to make copying from one to another
more straightforward.

it's trivial to add an external floppy drive on macs.

what ever gave you the idea it wasn't?

with a hard drive (internal or external), there's no need for a second
floppy drive (or even a first one).

So why did it take until 1998 to remove the floppy drive.

it didn't.

Most relied on floppies from magazines for system updates and even installing
software which other companies supplied, such as photoshop and Word excel and PP.

magazines didn't include floppy disks. updates were mailed or
downloaded.

there was a product where a magazine could 'print' an app and the user
could scan it with a reader, but it was a dismal failure. i don't even
remember the name of it.


I must have imagined mags with floppies attached, just like I must have
imagined the more recent ones with CDs.

geoff

On 10/04/2020 2:16 am, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

Most relied on floppies from magazines for system updates and even
installing
software which other companies supplied, such as photoshop and Word excel
and PP.

magazines didn't include floppy disks. updates were mailed or
downloaded.

Magazines did include floppy disks; most of them labeled either "AOL" or
"Compuserve". Some of the "geek" magazines in the early days did include
a disk of the software they published.

aol disks were distributed everywhere, including airline meals and
sometimes magazines. that's called *advertising* and *not* what he was
referring to.

the point is that normal everyday software was *not* distributed via a
floppy disk in a magazine, nor could it, as it would be impractical and
cost prohibitive. software was distributed as a boxed copy (sometimes
just a shrinkwrapped package for low budget titles) or available online
to download, even in the early days. btdt.



Freeware. Some 'advertising'. And some not - a giveaway bonus to
encourage/reward purchasers.

geoff

On 10/04/2020 11:08 am, nospam wrote:
In article , John Turco
wrote:

Most relied on floppies from magazines for system updates and even
installing
software which other companies supplied, such as photoshop and Word excel
and PP.

magazines didn't include floppy disks. updates were mailed or
downloaded.

Magazines did include floppy disks; most of them labeled either "AOL" or
"Compuserve". Some of the "geek" magazines in the early days did include
a disk of the software they published.

aol disks were distributed everywhere, including airline meals and
sometimes magazines. that's called *advertising* and *not* what he was
referring to.

the point is that normal everyday software was *not* distributed via a
floppy disk in a magazine, nor could it, as it would be impractical and
cost prohibitive. software was distributed as a boxed copy (sometimes
just a shrinkwrapped package for low budget titles) or available online
to download, even in the early days. btdt.

However, in the 1990's (at least), software on CD-ROMs was sometimes
distributed with computer magazines (a plastic bag, around the mag, held
the CD in). In fact, in 1996, that's how I finally got a good ISP, called
"Concentric." (Now defunct, sadly.)

that was an ad, not real software.


Adware and Freeware are real software. Maybe not commercial retail
software, but software non-the-less.

geoff

On 10/04/2020 2:34 am, Ken Hart wrote:
On 4/9/20 8:28 AM, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

there was little slower than copying a file from floppy to floppy
in the
first Macintosh's it was a real pain, and the worst feature, it
could take
dozens of floppy swaps for a of a few k in size.

that's what a second floppy drive is for.

If you could,afford the extra cost most PCs we had were cheaper and
had 2
floppy drive.

they didn't do anywhere near as much.

for one, they were stuck with dos versus a powerful gui and wysiwyg
apps, plus they were a *lot* harder to manage.

In the early days of home computers, DOS was what we had.
In an educational setting (such as Whiskey-Dave's case), if the student
found DOS a lot harder to manage, his grades would have reflected his
difficulties. DOS was what we had, and it was what we used.

Not just MS-DOS. Also the likes of Amiga, BBC, Sinclair, + ???, all with
media (cassette/5.25" floppy, 53.5" floppy) all having been taped onto
mags at some point. And later CDs, DVDs, and now probably even Blu-Ray
discs.

geoff

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:


So why did it take until 1998 to remove the floppy drive.

it didn't.

So remind me which was the first Mac to be sold without an internal floppy
drive.

powerbook duo 210 and 230, released in october, 1992.

those were followed by the duo 250, 270c, 280, 280c and 2300, all of
which predate the imac.

https://www.oldcomputr.com/wp-conten...le_powerbook_2
300c-minidock-undocking.jpg
https://images.techhive.com/images/a...ook-duo-01-100
573734-large.jpg



https://www.vintageapplemac.com/foun...ine-cover-flop
pies-1994-to-1997/


must have been uk only, and it looks like only shareware, which could
easily be downloaded without buying a magazine.

In article , geoff
wrote:

However, in the 1990's (at least), software on CD-ROMs was sometimes
distributed with computer magazines (a plastic bag, around the mag, held
the CD in). In fact, in 1996, that's how I finally got a good ISP, called
"Concentric." (Now defunct, sadly.)

that was an ad, not real software.


Adware and Freeware are real software. Maybe not commercial retail
software, but software non-the-less.

adware is crapware. freeware/shareware could be downloaded for free
without a magazine. disks full of shareware were also available from
user groups and elsewhere.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

In an educational setting (such as Whiskey-Dave's case), if the student
found DOS a lot harder to manage, his grades would have reflected his
difficulties. DOS was what we had, and it was what we used.

grades have no relevance to operating system.

They did, only the top people got to use the best computers.

that's dumb. how can the bottom people become top if they're stuck with
****ty computers?





diskcopy a: a:
Assuming the floppy is the a: drive.

dos does not know the difference between floppy disks, nor can it.
there is no provision to name them.

Doesn't matter.

it does matter, a lot.