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Old March 23rd 12, 11:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Ray Fischer
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Default One area film has it over digital

RichA wrote:
Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200 ISO. I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at the black
background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.


Have you ever used film?

Have you ever heard of JPEG artifacts?

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Old March 24th 12, 07:25 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"Ray Fischer" wrote:
RichA wrote:
Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200 ISO. I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at the black
background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.


Have you ever used film?


This is the right question here. ISO 3200 FF digital has been worlds better
than ISO 800 film for almost a decade, if you actually look at prints.
People really don't remember how bad film was.

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Old March 24th 12, 08:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default One area film has it over digital

RichA wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:19*pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
RichA wrote:
Rendering of dark areas. *This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. *3200 ISO. *I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. *Look at the black
background. *Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.


Have you ever used film?


Thousands of rolls.


Is senility affecting your memory? Color 3200 film was barely usable.
"Ugly, mottled effect" was an apt description for it.

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Old March 25th 12, 02:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default One area film has it over digital

"David J. Littleboy" wrote in
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"Ray Fischer" wrote:
RichA wrote:
Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200 ISO. I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at the black
background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.


Have you ever used film?


This is the right question here. ISO 3200 FF digital has been worlds
better than ISO 800 film for almost a decade, if you actually look at
prints. People really don't remember how bad film was.


I remember Kodacolor II...
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Old March 25th 12, 03:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default One area film has it over digital

On 3/24/2012 8:44 PM, Rich wrote:
"David J. wrote in



This is the right question here. ISO 3200 FF digital has been worlds
better than ISO 800 film for almost a decade, if you actually look at
prints. People really don't remember how bad film was.


I remember Kodacolor II...


That was a great film!

Do you remember Ektacolor sheet film of the same era?

That was bad film.

But I will say this ... all, and I mean absolutely all, of
my Kodak negative film, from Kodacolor (no suffix) till today,
remains stable and still easily printable, well let us
say scanable with absolutely no difficulty. That's of
course true for Kodachrome too. But not Ektachrome E4.

The Ektacolor negatives actually make better prints today than they
did 40 years ago, because of the power of Photoshop "channels".
Still hideous grain however.

One caveat: all the color negatives I ever took were
"overexposed" by one or one and 1/3 stops because I
always thought they were rated wrong by that much. If
exposed as rated they would look much worse.

Doug McDonald
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Old March 25th 12, 05:01 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Ray Fischer
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Default One area film has it over digital

Rich wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4f6e271e$0$12005
RichA wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:19*pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
RichA wrote:


Rendering of dark areas. *This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. *3200 ISO. *I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. *Look at the black
background. *Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.

Have you ever used film?

Thousands of rolls.


Is senility affecting your memory? Color 3200 film was barely usable.
"Ugly, mottled effect" was an apt description for it.


The Canon image happened to be 3200 ISO,


And looks very nice for ISO 3200. Certainly much better than any
color film.

but it doesn't matter too much
when it comes to dark backgrounds.


Idiot troll.

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Old March 25th 12, 05:02 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Ray Fischer
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Darrell Larose wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:19 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
wrote:
Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200 ISO. I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at the black
background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.

Have you ever used film?

Thousands of rolls.


Is senility affecting your memory? Color 3200 film was barely usable.
"Ugly, mottled effect" was an apt description for it.

Remember Ansco aka GAF 500 slide film? I seem to remember it wasn't very
grainy at all only had a single golf ball size grain per frame!!!


:-)

High ISO film frankly sucked! The high ISO samples of the 5D mk.III and
the Nikon D800 out performs any film I have ever worked with (goes back
to 1969 for me)


Could you even get an ISO 3200 color film? From what I remember the
fastest color films went up to 1600.

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Old March 25th 12, 09:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
R. Mark Clayton
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Default One area film has it over digital


"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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RichA wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:19 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
RichA wrote:
Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200 ISO. I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at the black
background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.

Have you ever used film?


Thousands of rolls.


Is senility affecting your memory? Color 3200 film was barely usable.
"Ugly, mottled effect" was an apt description for it.


Indeed - even at ASA 400 the grain was pretty obvious.

OTOH the signal to noise ration increases in digital cameras as the speed is
increased.


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Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who
falsely believe they are free.
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Old March 25th 12, 10:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
David J. Littleboy
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Default One area film has it over digital


"R. Mark Clayton" wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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RichA wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:19 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
RichA wrote:
Rendering of dark areas. This is a shot from Dpreview's new gallery
of pre-production test images from the Canon 5DIII. 3200 ISO. I
raised the illumination level 25% beyond theirs. Look at the black
background. Film doesn't produce that ugly, mottled effect.

Have you ever used film?

Thousands of rolls.


Is senility affecting your memory? Color 3200 film was barely usable.
"Ugly, mottled effect" was an apt description for it.


Indeed - even at ASA 400 the grain was pretty obvious.

OTOH the signal to noise ration increases in digital cameras as the speed
is increased.


Here's the old 5D at ISO 3200 to 25,600, at 100%. Since these are 12MP
images, the 3200 will look better in a 12x18 print than anything in 35mm
film ISO 200 or over. Download it and print it out at 240 ppi to see what
12x18 prints actually look like. (Oops, the left part of the ISO 3200 image
is out of focus. I should redo this with the 5D2 and the latest Lightroom's
much better noise reduction.)

http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/75359389/original

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