Earth Photography: It's Harder Than It Looks

Eric Stevens wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
On 13/03/2012 14:20, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:

we've neither temperature data from the middle ages nor from the
time when Rome ruled the Earth and Romans grew wine in England.

Actually we do have indirect proxy data for some local and also global
temperatures in the Middle Ages based on isotope ratios locked into tree
rings, stalagmites and certain very slow growing sea corals. It isn't as
good as actual measurements but it is still good evidence.

It's rough climate data at best.

Temperature data isn't temperature data.

That's the "mind" of the crazy denier at work.

Say after me:

Proxy data isn't temperature data.

Yes, denier, it is.

Here is some proxy data for you.

You don't even know what the words mean.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03...ce_age_global/
"global warming has already occurred in historical, pre-industrial
times, and then gone away again.""

Current warming dramatically exceeds historical events both in speed
and in magnitude.

--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
| Goethe

Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:

That's the "mind" of the crazy denier at work.

I am sorry your mad cow disease disabled you so much you cannot
look up "climate" and "temperature" in any dictionary --- much
less compare them.

The stupid denier tries to justify his stupidity with a bizarre
non sequitur, all in order to promote his bizarre conspiracy
nonsense.

Ray Fisher is drunk. Again.

Awww! The lilttle asshole is pouting!

Poor baby!

Awww, the drunkard is denying that he's drunk again.

And I bet that you're going to deny that you're a child molester.

Have you stopped beating your wife, Ray?

-Wolfgang

Eric Stevens wrote:
On 19 Mar 2012 02:25:09 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
On 13/03/2012 14:20, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:

we've neither temperature data from the middle ages nor from the
time when Rome ruled the Earth and Romans grew wine in England.

Actually we do have indirect proxy data for some local and also global
temperatures in the Middle Ages based on isotope ratios locked into tree
rings, stalagmites and certain very slow growing sea corals. It isn't as
good as actual measurements but it is still good evidence.

It's rough climate data at best.

Temperature data isn't temperature data.

That's the "mind" of the crazy denier at work.

Say after me:

Proxy data isn't temperature data.

Yes, denier, it is.

Here is some proxy data for you.

\begin{mode}[Ray]
This source isn't scientific, that's just some journalist,
are you saying millions of scientists are all lying, denier,
whine, lie, stamp your foot, ...
\end{mode}

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03...ce_age_global/
"global warming has already occurred in historical, pre-industrial
times, and then gone away again.""

Repeating a lie won't make it true.

Unfortunately it tends to make it believable.

And the larger the lie, the more is it believed.

-Wolfgang

Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

Read Donna Laframboise's book.

Why? You are the one making claims. YOU are the one who cannot
support any of your claims.

Refusal to read the support presented noted.

Calling it "support" doesn't make it so, denier.

Refusing to read it before denying it makes you an idiot.

Refusing to read a work of fiction makes me an idiot?

So why do you want us to believe in the work of fiction
called "global warming is man-made and ongoing"?

The alternative is to insist that thousands of the world's scientists
in dozens of nations are all part of a vast conspiracy so clever that
denier lunatics have never been able to find any proof for it.

Proof for fixing data and facts by the powerful "manmade global
warming" (which ought to pay you) has been offered.

So your rant is not based on facts, but on lunatic lies.


And refusing to deal with facts makes you smart?

Facts are *supposed* to be grounded in reality,

Apparently not for you.

Ray, learn reading and understanding what you read. "grounded in
reality" does not equal "agrees with the half-truths and lies of
Ray Fisher".

-Wolfgang

Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

*You* claimed categorucally that it is fiction, so *you* have to
[lots of proof that Ray's word isn't worth the electrons needed
to transmit it --- by Ray's own standards! --- snipped by Ray
because he knows he hasn't answers.]

You basically just exist to be an argumentative asshole, don't you?

You basically just exist to lie and insult other people, don't you?

-Wolfgang

Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

So the global cooling was manmade?

Yes. And it was temporary.

That's interesting. How was it manmade?

Air pollution.

For somebody who claims to know so much about climate change you
really are disgustingly ignorant of even the most basic facts.

So you say there has been a really bad global cooling all through
the industrialization? You know, when every house was fired with
coal, soot filled the air and the industry smoke stacks *smoked*
--- without any filter and no clean air legislation?

And we just must pollute the air more, then the global warning
is history?

Are you illiterate or a liar?

Taking *your* words as truth and *your* logic as correct makes
one illiterate or a liar? That's interesting.

Noted: you have not answers to the question why really bad air
pollution doesn't cause global cooling, when you claim it does.

-Wolfgang

Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
George Kerby wrote:
wrote:
On 3/18/2012 4:44 PM, George Kerby wrote:
wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
[...]
I don't know what you consider a "Scientific Community", but just run a
Google on Climate Cooling and target things written between 73 - 78, when
the Earth was experiencing it's last cycle of cooling. It was everywhere. In
all the major magazines, news sources, etc. At that time people were
proclaiming another "Ice Age", maybe you were too young to remember?

It's all in the link you posted.

Ergo my post.

A rambling, bizarre post which doesn't appear to make any sense.

Of course it doesn't make any sense *to* *you*, because global
cooling fears (oh so similar to current global warming fears)
don't make sense to a "manmade global warming" fanatic.

You don't live in the real world, do you?

Disc-World? Where trees have mercury thermometers and elves
recording the readings?

The best you can do is to whine about these silly strawmen?

The best you can do is insult others?

-Wolfgang

Ray Fischer wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
On 22 Mar 2012 18:49:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:

Without the quotes, I don't see any relevant. Maybe you should be
specific instead of spouting your usual denier bull****.

Maybe you should try doing some research yourself.

Done that.

Once again you are unable to justify your claims with cites.

You are a hopeless idiot.

That's not a cite.

It's the truth, though.

-Wolfgang

Ray Fischer wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
On 22 Mar 2012 18:51:57 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

"Evade, evade, evade."

True, that's what you do
[of course Ray quotemardered that ... again]

"I know you are but what am I?"

You are a liar, denier, hopeless idiot, quote marder, ad
hominem arguer, and paid by Al Gore.

-Wolfgang

On 23 Mar 2012 22:15:37 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
On 13/03/2012 14:20, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Ray wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:

we've neither temperature data from the middle ages nor from the
time when Rome ruled the Earth and Romans grew wine in England.

Actually we do have indirect proxy data for some local and also global
temperatures in the Middle Ages based on isotope ratios locked into tree
rings, stalagmites and certain very slow growing sea corals. It isn't as
good as actual measurements but it is still good evidence.

It's rough climate data at best.

Temperature data isn't temperature data.

That's the "mind" of the crazy denier at work.

Say after me:

Proxy data isn't temperature data.

Yes, denier, it is.

Here is some proxy data for you.

You don't even know what the words mean.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03...ce_age_global/
"global warming has already occurred in historical, pre-industrial
times, and then gone away again.""

Current warming dramatically exceeds historical events both in speed
and in magnitude.

Where is your data?

Regards,

Eric Stevens