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OT Scam Venting
"Mayayana" wrote in message
... | I wouldn't give money to a charity from a phone call I'd recieved. | Nor would I. I'd be leery of giving to any charity. There are places to check how much actually goes to charity, such as this site: http://www.charitynavigator.org/ Some of the worst -- less than 10% of money collected actually going to charity -- have been local fire departments. It's very hard to know where the money goes. The main problem, when the charity itself is at least somewhat on the level, seems to be that organizations hire fundraising companies, which then take a big cut. So even when the cause is legitimate, much of the money may be going to professional money raisers. How many people would donate if they realized they were funding their own phone harassment? How many fire departments were just approached by enterprising companies who told them all they need do is allow the dept name to be used and they'd get 50% of the profits? .... or maybe 20%. In the past I'd given money to some local groups, but I stopped because they were dishonest and pushy. They'd call back, lie about how much I was giving per year, then ask me to increase it. It was just pushy salesmanship that never stopped. I wonder if any charities bigger than a local little league team still use volunteer fundraisers. I consult Charity Navigator for info on charities. In addition to fire departments, "police" charities are horrible offenders. Now that my son is a cop, we get inundated with calls from legitimate sounding charities but over 90% of the money collected goes to salaries and "fund-raising". |
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On 12/10/2015 9:02 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| I wouldn't give money to a charity from a phone call I'd recieved. | Nor would I. I'd be leery of giving to any charity. There are places to check how much actually goes to charity, such as this site: http://www.charitynavigator.org/ Some of the worst -- less than 10% of money collected actually going to charity -- have been local fire departments. It's very hard to know where the money goes. The main problem, when the charity itself is at least somewhat on the level, seems to be that organizations hire fundraising companies, which then take a big cut. So even when the cause is legitimate, much of the money may be going to professional money raisers. How many people would donate if they realized they were funding their own phone harassment? How many fire departments were just approached by enterprising companies who told them all they need do is allow the dept name to be used and they'd get 50% of the profits? .... or maybe 20%. In the past I'd given money to some local groups, but I stopped because they were dishonest and pushy. They'd call back, lie about how much I was giving per year, then ask me to increase it. It was just pushy salesmanship that never stopped. I wonder if any charities bigger than a local little league team still use volunteer fundraisers. Yep. As I said, there are some that I support and make annual contributions to. I welcome their calls, as a reminder. If I decide to no longer support that organization, I simply ask to be removed from their call list. AFAIK these are legitimate organizations, and they have honored my request. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: ...and the most annoying of all are the never ending political lobby and election season robo-calls. These types of calls are not prohibited if you are on the "don not call list". Who would have thought that politicians would exempt political lobbying and fund raising types of calls? once again, put the numbers on a block list. once your number shows up as invalid, it falls off the lists. It does not. it absolutely does. Indeed political calls, legitimate surveys, and charitable solicitations are expressly permitted. it doesn't matter if the calls are permitted or not. if someone calls a number and gets a not in service message, they don't normally call again. the number is flagged which eventually filters up to the master lists, thereby reducing the number of future solicitation calls. it's *very* effective. Indeed last week I was solicited by a charity, and we happily gave them a donation. and? And what? I await your telling me how to block calls, when I don't want to block all unidentified calls. I await your answer with bated breath. Or, are you saying I should block all calls. the exact steps depends on your phone system and how it's set up, but the typical scenario is an unwanted call comes in and then you add the number to the block list. next time they call, they hear a number not in service message so they mark the number as dead and eventually it drops off the lists. spammers don't want to waste time calling numbers that they *know* nobody is there. as i said, it's very effective. |
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On 2015-12-10 17:42:38 +0000, PeterN said:
On 12/9/2015 4:46 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-12-09 21:24:59 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/9/2015 3:27 PM, nospam wrote: In article , PAS wrote: ...and the most annoying of all are the never ending political lobby and election season robo-calls. These types of calls are not prohibited if you are on the "don not call list". Who would have thought that politicians would exempt political lobbying and fund raising types of calls? once again, put the numbers on a block list. once your number shows up as invalid, it falls off the lists. It does not. Indeed political calls, legitimate surveys, and charitable solicitations are expressly permitted. Indeed last week I was solicited by a charity, and we happily gave them a donation. So you tolerated the scam to shut them up. Now you are going to be hit regularly. It was Big Brothers, Big Sisters, one of the organizations that I support. I also tolerate solicitations from the WCS, as well as others. My tolerance threashold was exceded some time ago. Along with the political calls, some of the worst offenders are The Sierra Club, GreenPeace, and DAV. My wife and I were both generous with the Sierra Club, GreenPeace and the Audubon Society in the past. Now they have become a nagging machine to wring donations out of the vulnerable by playing the guilt card. Enough was enough, and I have soured on all of them. So just in time for the Xmas begging season, "Bah! Humbug!" For the last 6 years the ringer on my landline has been silenced, and I only use it for outgoing emergency calls if for some reason my cell service is down. I cannot do that now. We get a lot of return calls from healthcare providers. All of my healthcare providers have my cell number as primary. I have also found it useful to have a Google Voice number, as well as a very useful iOS app "Burner" for those times a single use number is the way to go (I am sure it doesn't make the NSA happy). http://www.burnerapp.com https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/burner-next-generation-phone/id505800761?mt=8 -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 12/10/2015 1:09 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-12-10 17:42:38 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/9/2015 4:46 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-12-09 21:24:59 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/9/2015 3:27 PM, nospam wrote: In article , PAS wrote: ...and the most annoying of all are the never ending political lobby and election season robo-calls. These types of calls are not prohibited if you are on the "don not call list". Who would have thought that politicians would exempt political lobbying and fund raising types of calls? once again, put the numbers on a block list. once your number shows up as invalid, it falls off the lists. It does not. Indeed political calls, legitimate surveys, and charitable solicitations are expressly permitted. Indeed last week I was solicited by a charity, and we happily gave them a donation. So you tolerated the scam to shut them up. Now you are going to be hit regularly. It was Big Brothers, Big Sisters, one of the organizations that I support. I also tolerate solicitations from the WCS, as well as others. My tolerance threashold was exceded some time ago. Along with the political calls, some of the worst offenders are The Sierra Club, GreenPeace, and DAV. My wife and I were both generous with the Sierra Club, GreenPeace and the Audubon Society in the past. Now they have become a nagging machine to wring donations out of the vulnerable by playing the guilt card. Enough was enough, and I have soured on all of them. So just in time for the Xmas begging season, "Bah! Humbug!" For the last 6 years the ringer on my landline has been silenced, and I only use it for outgoing emergency calls if for some reason my cell service is down. I cannot do that now. We get a lot of return calls from healthcare providers. All of my healthcare providers have my cell number as primary. I have also found it useful to have a Google Voice number, as well as a very useful iOS app "Burner" for those times a single use number is the way to go (I am sure it doesn't make the NSA happy). http://www.burnerapp.com https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/burner-next-generation-phone/id505800761?mt=8 -- PeterN |
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On 2015-12-10 18:26:00 +0000, PeterN said:
On 12/10/2015 1:09 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-12-10 17:42:38 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/9/2015 4:46 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-12-09 21:24:59 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/9/2015 3:27 PM, nospam wrote: In article , PAS wrote: ...and the most annoying of all are the never ending political lobby and election season robo-calls. These types of calls are not prohibited if you are on the "don not call list". Who would have thought that politicians would exempt political lobbying and fund raising types of calls? once again, put the numbers on a block list. once your number shows up as invalid, it falls off the lists. It does not. Indeed political calls, legitimate surveys, and charitable solicitations are expressly permitted. Indeed last week I was solicited by a charity, and we happily gave them a donation. So you tolerated the scam to shut them up. Now you are going to be hit regularly. It was Big Brothers, Big Sisters, one of the organizations that I support. I also tolerate solicitations from the WCS, as well as others. My tolerance threashold was exceded some time ago. Along with the political calls, some of the worst offenders are The Sierra Club, GreenPeace, and DAV. My wife and I were both generous with the Sierra Club, GreenPeace and the Audubon Society in the past. Now they have become a nagging machine to wring donations out of the vulnerable by playing the guilt card. Enough was enough, and I have soured on all of them. So just in time for the Xmas begging season, "Bah! Humbug!" For the last 6 years the ringer on my landline has been silenced, and I only use it for outgoing emergency calls if for some reason my cell service is down. I cannot do that now. We get a lot of return calls from healthcare providers. All of my healthcare providers have my cell number as primary. I have also found it useful to have a Google Voice number, as well as a very useful iOS app "Burner" for those times a single use number is the way to go (I am sure it doesn't make the NSA happy). http://www.burnerapp.com https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/burner-next-generation-phone/id505800761?mt=8 So what did you intend to say, or did you just hit the go button by mistake? -- Regards, Savageduck |
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: And what? I await your telling me how to block calls, when I don't want to block all unidentified calls. I await your answer with bated breath. Or, are you saying I should block all calls. the exact steps depends on your phone system and how it's set up, but the typical scenario is an unwanted call comes in and then you add the number to the block list. next time they call, they hear a number not in service message so they mark the number as dead and eventually it drops off the lists. spammers don't want to waste time calling numbers that they *know* nobody is there. as i said, it's very effective. That assumes that the caller calls from a list. Some use automatic dialing services. No human touches a dial, and no human has the ability to cross a name off a list. what do you think the automatic dialers use, if not a list? do you think it's all random numbers, hoping they're valid? Many of the callers use recorded messages that start when a call is answered. No human involved to mark off a list. who said anything about a human? it's all automatic. stop talking about things you know nothing about. Many of these calls offer a "Press 1" if you want to be removed from the automatic dial program. That's the worst thing to do because it proves that it's a valid number and it will be re-called over and over. exactly. that's why blocking it is the best solution. |
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"Tony Cooper" wrote in message
... On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 11:28:43 -0500, PeterN wrote: On 12/9/2015 10:45 AM, Mayayana wrote: | Yesterday I received several robo calls warning me that the IRS was | about to commence suing me, if I did not call a certain number. If you don't have callerID, you should. If you do have it you should never have picked up. Federal agencies are bought out. Phone companies have a monopoly racket going. Your only choice is to simply not pick up unless you know who's calling. doNotCall lists used to work, but haven't for some time now. I'm guessing there was probably some back room lobbying involved that we'll probably never hear about. That doesn't work for us in practice. Many calls we need are from caller id blocked numbers. There's some company that calls us two or three times a week to tell us we've won a free cruise for two. I tried blocking them, but they call from different numbers each time. Someone's lying to me! I was told last week that I was the lucky winner. |
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On 12/10/2015 1:34 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-12-10 18:26:00 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/10/2015 1:09 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-12-10 17:42:38 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/9/2015 4:46 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-12-09 21:24:59 +0000, PeterN said: On 12/9/2015 3:27 PM, nospam wrote: In article , PAS wrote: ...and the most annoying of all are the never ending political lobby and election season robo-calls. These types of calls are not prohibited if you are on the "don not call list". Who would have thought that politicians would exempt political lobbying and fund raising types of calls? once again, put the numbers on a block list. once your number shows up as invalid, it falls off the lists. It does not. Indeed political calls, legitimate surveys, and charitable solicitations are expressly permitted. Indeed last week I was solicited by a charity, and we happily gave them a donation. So you tolerated the scam to shut them up. Now you are going to be hit regularly. It was Big Brothers, Big Sisters, one of the organizations that I support. I also tolerate solicitations from the WCS, as well as others. My tolerance threashold was exceded some time ago. Along with the political calls, some of the worst offenders are The Sierra Club, GreenPeace, and DAV. My wife and I were both generous with the Sierra Club, GreenPeace and the Audubon Society in the past. Now they have become a nagging machine to wring donations out of the vulnerable by playing the guilt card. Enough was enough, and I have soured on all of them. So just in time for the Xmas begging season, "Bah! Humbug!" For the last 6 years the ringer on my landline has been silenced, and I only use it for outgoing emergency calls if for some reason my cell service is down. I cannot do that now. We get a lot of return calls from healthcare providers. All of my healthcare providers have my cell number as primary. I have also found it useful to have a Google Voice number, as well as a very useful iOS app "Burner" for those times a single use number is the way to go (I am sure it doesn't make the NSA happy). http://www.burnerapp.com https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/burner-next-generation-phone/id505800761?mt=8 So what did you intend to say, or did you just hit the go button by mistake? mistake -- PeterN |
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OT Scam Venting
On 12/10/2015 1:49 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper wrote: And what? I await your telling me how to block calls, when I don't want to block all unidentified calls. I await your answer with bated breath. Or, are you saying I should block all calls. the exact steps depends on your phone system and how it's set up, but the typical scenario is an unwanted call comes in and then you add the number to the block list. next time they call, they hear a number not in service message so they mark the number as dead and eventually it drops off the lists. spammers don't want to waste time calling numbers that they *know* nobody is there. as i said, it's very effective. That assumes that the caller calls from a list. Some use automatic dialing services. No human touches a dial, and no human has the ability to cross a name off a list. what do you think the automatic dialers use, if not a list? do you think it's all random numbers, hoping they're valid? Many of the callers use recorded messages that start when a call is answered. No human involved to mark off a list. who said anything about a human? it's all automatic. stop talking about things you know nothing about. Many of these calls offer a "Press 1" if you want to be removed from the automatic dial program. That's the worst thing to do because it proves that it's a valid number and it will be re-called over and over. exactly. that's why blocking it is the best solution. We are still waiting for a practical method of blocking. -- PeterN |
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