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  #41  
Old September 21st 06, 07:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
ASAAR
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:37:11 -0400, Cynicor blew this note:

So you're saying that it's not the D200's fault that I blue out the
highlights on that Seattle photo?


No. If you want a camera that you can blame for that sort of
thing, I'll trade my Fuji S5100 for your D200. Fuji has a "Chrome"
setting that'll give you punchier, more intense color. But I, and
most people don't use it, since when we do, it gives us the blues.

  #42  
Old September 21st 06, 08:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:31:30 -0400, ASAAR wrote:

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:00:43 -0400, Bill wrote:

Really? Show us one single mistake in his comparison.


Start at the top:

"D80 has the D200's 10 MP image sensor".

ACK....wrong.


That's probably a clumsy way of saying that both sensors have 10
million pixels, not that they're identical.


"It's the same, only different." :-)

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  #43  
Old September 21st 06, 08:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message
.. .
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill wrote:

As far as the article's
accuracy, it appears to be quite accurate. All stats are
tabulated
and
compared precisely. That link was indeed a decent post.


For comparison to see if you need the D200 over the D80, perhaps.
But
there are factual errors, such as the sensor being the same as the
D200 (it is not), no mirror lockup (it has it), etc.


I can't find in the specs from Nikon where it says the D80 has
mirror lockup.


Look again...

Also, both the D80 and the D200 sport a 10.2MP sensor 3872x2592
pixels. Seems
the same to me.


It may seem the same, but then the Sony may seem the same as the D200,
but it's not.

If the lockup is the same as for the D70(s) then it is indeed only
for
cleaning. You can't use it to photograph an image and avoid mirror
slap
vibration. I admit that I am not sure about this feature without
doing more
research.


The lockup is not the same as the D70.

Clearly you don't know much about the D80, so how can you argue that
Rockwell is right when I have already shown he is wrong in the first
10% of his so-called "review"?

Let's cull some of your multiple responses into this one so we can all
see what's going on.

Really? They both have a 10.2MP 3872x2592 sensor. Care to refute
that?


sigh So I still have to do your homework for you?

From Nikons site and specs, total pixels:

D80:
Image Sensor: RGB CCD, 23.6 x 15.8mm; total pixels: 10.75 million,
Nikon DX format

D200:
Image Sensor: RGB CCD, 23.6 x 15.8mm; total pixels: 10.92 million

Clearly not the same. The output channel count is also different, 4
for the D200 and 2 for the D80. See the quotes below for reference.

Eh? Looks like Nikon aggrees with our buddy and not you:

"Weight: Approximately 1 lb. 5 oz. (585g) without battery, memory
card, body
cap, or monitor cover"


Hahaha....so how is the fact that the numbers are different, but to
you they're the same? It's a small difference I agree, but that's just
one of many factual errors. Other review sites get it right, why can't
Rockwell? Could it be he doesn't know what he's talking about?

You REALLY REALLY need to back up your answers.


Here's your backup references as promised above:

They have the exact same
number of pixels according to Nikon @ 3872x2592. That is pretty
specific ...
to the pixel, don't you think?


One more time...that's effective pixels for the final image. The
sensors are not the same, even Nikon has been quoted as saying this.
From Nikons site in their press release:

"The D80 features a new 10.2 effective megapixel DX Format CCD image
sensor"

Also from several reviews on the net that say the same as this quote
from Imaging Resource.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80A.HTM

"This is the same basic number of pixels as are in the D200, but the
sensor isn't identical. They're both CCD, but the difference, as far
as we know at this date, has mostly to do with readout speed. The D200
has a four-channel data readout, while the Nikon D80 has only a
two-channel readout."

So, far every one of your accusations has been refuted as incorrect
and you
have yet to discredit Ken's comparison values.


Right...believe what you want then...stick a fork in me, I'm done.


  #44  
Old September 21st 06, 11:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Wow, I came back to check this thread and I see it has generated a lot of
responses! Bill, you're certainly passionate about your dislike for Ken
Rockwell, but I still contend that the site has useful information.
I have a couple points I'd like to make:

In the D80 vs. D100 comparison there were no appreciable misleadings in my
mind. Rockwell states that both cameras have 10MP sensors. It was pointed
out that the CCD sensors are different. Do most people care one has a couple
less pixels than the other, or one uses 4 channels instead of 2? I think
not. If I wanted any further technical details about the sensor, then I
would consult Nikon directly. Unless the site is sponsored by the
manufacturer (Nikon), then any information conveyed on any other site about
Nikon products is susceptible to error.
My opinion is that Rockwell's writing style is less refined and you could
say less professional than other review sites. However, he has written about
features and how to use them that I did not find on any other site, he gives
practical "how to" information lacking elsewhere. For example, I read about
the wireless i-TTL flash control you get when the D200 is paired with a
SB-800 flash. I didn't find that pointed out anywhere else when I was
researching my D200 purchase, a key point in my decision to upgrade my flash
as well as the camera.

"Bill" wrote in message
...

"James P. Clark" wrote in message
...
Here is a useful link comparing the D80 with the D200. I bought my D200
in July after reading all of the information on Ken Rockwell's site. I'm
still happy with my D200 purchase even after reading the comparisons.


No offence, but how about posting a link to a site with accurate
information?

Rockwell is the joke of the professional community.

His so-called "review" is full of misinformation and bias. I'm guessing
from the garbage he spews out about technical details and features of the
D80 (too many to list here) that he hasn't bought it and may not have used
it at all like some of his other "reviews" where he just makes it all up
based on what he read elsewhere.

I can't stress this enough - DO NOT TRUST ROCKWELL.

The guy is full of sh!t (dare I say a liar?) and can not be trusted to
give an honest or even accurate review of any kind. All he seems to do is
post questionable info on his site with dozens of referrer links to
purchase equipment (HINT - if you click one of his links, he makes money).

So if you want to read Rockwell, go ahead, but make sure you have a LOT of
salt handy to improve the flavour of his bullsh!t.

:-)

At the very least, try sites like these for more accurate reviews:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond80/ (just a preview so far)

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ni...ew/index.shtml

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80A.HTM

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/nikond80/

http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/A100vsD80vsXTi.shtml (comparison)

Once you read up on the D80 and it's features, go back to Rockwell and
compare facts. At least he's good for some laughs.

And if you want personal input from users, try public forums or newsgroups
like this one.



  #45  
Old September 21st 06, 11:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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ASAAR wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:37:11 -0400, Cynicor blew this note:

So you're saying that it's not the D200's fault that I blue out the
highlights on that Seattle photo?


No. If you want a camera that you can blame for that sort of
thing, I'll trade my Fuji S5100 for your D200. Fuji has a "Chrome"
setting that'll give you punchier, more intense color. But I, and
most people don't use it, since when we do, it gives us the blues.


Well, I fixed one of them. It prints out all nice now.
http://trupin.smugmug.com/gallery/824709/1/95607778
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Old September 22nd 06, 12:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"James P. Clark" wrote in message
...
Wow, I came back to check this thread and I see it has generated a
lot of responses! Bill, you're certainly passionate about your
dislike for Ken Rockwell, but I still contend that the site has
useful information.


There are bits and pieces of truly useful information, but it's tossed
in like the bacon bits in a cheap caesar salad - small and hard to
find.

:-)

I don't hate him, I just dislike his opinions, advice, and facts that
are misleading to those who wish to learn more about photography. He's
not helping a new photographer who wants to become a better
photographer.

But hey, if it works for you...


  #47  
Old September 22nd 06, 12:10 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"Rita Ä Berkowitz" ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote in message
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James P. Clark wrote:

Wow, I came back to check this thread and I see it has generated a
lot of responses! Bill, you're certainly passionate about your
dislike for Ken Rockwell, but I still contend that the site has
useful information. I have a couple points I'd like to make:


I'm sure it's more a case of jealousy since if he could do it better
he
would.


You mean me, I'm jealous of Rockwell?

To quote Bugs Bunny, "It is to laugh".

:-)


  #48  
Old September 22nd 06, 12:47 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
Bill wrote:

I'm sure it's more a case of jealousy since if he could do it better
he
would.


You mean me, I'm jealous of Rockwell?

To quote Bugs Bunny, "It is to laugh".


Hey, set up a web site and give *your* spin on the truth and see how
successful you are. My gut feeling is you won't even be good enough to
register a domain name. But, hey, it's easier to cut someone to pieces
without walking a mile in their shoes. Yes, you are green with envy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Rockwell, but I see too many
people cutting him up that for some reason or another haven't a clue to
take the first steps that made him successful.


Geez, it not THAT hard to set up a domain name. Rockwell's just a
diversion. No one should ever buy a camera or lens without holding it in
their hands anyway. Of course, I'm talking out of my buttocks now
because I just buy any old crap off the Internet.
  #49  
Old September 22nd 06, 12:52 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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I disagree, I would not say the article had "bits and pieces" of truly
useful info. The article has tables with feature comparisons that are quite
objective. It's pretty easy to separate the facts from the opinions as you
read it. You seem blinded by emotion.

"Bill" wrote in message
.. .

"James P. Clark" wrote in message
...
Wow, I came back to check this thread and I see it has generated a lot of
responses! Bill, you're certainly passionate about your dislike for Ken
Rockwell, but I still contend that the site has useful information.


There are bits and pieces of truly useful information, but it's tossed in
like the bacon bits in a cheap caesar salad - small and hard to find.

:-)

I don't hate him, I just dislike his opinions, advice, and facts that are
misleading to those who wish to learn more about photography. He's not
helping a new photographer who wants to become a better photographer.

But hey, if it works for you...



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Old September 22nd 06, 01:47 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:38:15 -0400, Cynicor wrote:

Well, I fixed one of them. It prints out all nice now.
http://trupin.smugmug.com/gallery/824709/1/95607778


Nice improvement. The warmth in the clouds seems more natural or
realistic, and it helps the trees and land mass too. Also, the
water now doesn't immediately shout "Menthol!!" Surprisingly, since
the image is 1/2 the size of the previous version (55k vs. 96k), the
birds (especially the two upper, smaller ones) seem better defined.
But if it's boids ya want, you didn't have to travel that far. We've
got plenty of gulls here around the edges of the boroughs. Some
days when the weather is right, they travel several miles inland.

 




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