Nikon made me buy Canon

In article K8jJc.130$SD3.14@okepread06, Skip M wrote:
Yes, but...how many Nikon lenses introduced since they started to make AF
bodies are incompatible with those same AF bodies. The only ones I can
think of are the VR lenses with bodies pre F/N80. And that's only the VR,
the rest of the lens is operational.

You can't (easily) control the aperture of a VR lens with an F4. I think
this is the only serious incompatibility Nikon created. Of course, a Nikon
F won't meter with an AF lens, but I don't it is hard add a meter coupling
fork to an AF lens.



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(Annika1980) writes:

From: David Dyer-Bennet

You do realize that Canon did a much worse thing a few years back,
right? When they went from the FD mount to whatever the auto-focus
system they use now is called, they made a *complete* flag-day change;
no forward or backward compatibility between the old and the new
systems.

Man, the same **** happened to me when I bought my first CD player.
The dang thing wouldn't even play my LP records! Boy, the music
industry really messed that up, huh?

I was a fairly early adopter of CDs; I felt they offered me *immense*
advantages. But that doesn't stop me from seeing it as an enourmous
change, no.

I believe I understand many of the reasons Canon made the clean break
they did. It seems to have been a good choice for them. And I've
*never* said Canon "messed it up".

However -- announcing you're changing from Nikon to Canon because
Nikon's compatibility across the autofocus boundary is imperfect is,
well, really bizarre.
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(Annika1980) writes:

From: David Dyer-Bennet

You do realize that Canon did a much worse thing a few years back,
right? When they went from the FD mount to whatever the auto-focus
system they use now is called, they made a *complete* flag-day change;
no forward or backward compatibility between the old and the new
systems.

Man, the same **** happened to me when I bought my first CD player.
The dang thing wouldn't even play my LP records! Boy, the music
industry really messed that up, huh?

I was a fairly early adopter of CDs; I felt they offered me *immense*
advantages. But that doesn't stop me from seeing it as an enourmous
change, no.

I believe I understand many of the reasons Canon made the clean break
they did. It seems to have been a good choice for them. And I've
*never* said Canon "messed it up".

However -- announcing you're changing from Nikon to Canon because
Nikon's compatibility across the autofocus boundary is imperfect is,
well, really bizarre.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/
RKBA: http://noguns-nomoney.com/ http://www.dd-b.net/carry/
Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/
Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/

In article ,
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

It doesn't meter with the AIS lenses, but with a digital camera *who
cares*? If I need a perfect "first shot" I can do test shots ahead of
time (just the way I'd use a light meter ahead of time to prepare with
a film camera).

Exactly. People get terribly hung up about in-camera meters. I recently
picked up a small match-needle handheld light meter second-hand for the
price of a few pints of beer, and it works just fine.

I've also found that outside in the daytime, I can usually guess the correct
exposure to within a stop anyway, even here in the UK with our notoriously
changable weather. It only takes a bit of practice.

I didn't realise I fely any pain until I read this.

Then I thought of my T90, TTL flash, couple of Canon lenses and a Sigma

Now I cotton on to the dump syndrome - any offers on the above?

Can I p/x it? hmmm - I wonder?

Artie

"MarkH" wrote in message
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"Mark B." wrote in
:

Canon digitals don't support older manual focus lenses either, so I'm
not sure you made any kind of point.

I think his point is that ANY Canon EF mount lens will work on the Canon
D-
SLR, no confusion involved. IMO Canon's clean break from the old manual
lenses to the new EOS lenses with a brand new EF mount made life a lot
easier for them and their customers, despite any pain during the
transition
for those that owned a lot of glass.



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Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

I didn't realise I fely any pain until I read this.

Then I thought of my T90, TTL flash, couple of Canon lenses and a Sigma

Now I cotton on to the dump syndrome - any offers on the above?

Can I p/x it? hmmm - I wonder?

Artie

"MarkH" wrote in message
...
"Mark B." wrote in
:

Canon digitals don't support older manual focus lenses either, so I'm
not sure you made any kind of point.

I think his point is that ANY Canon EF mount lens will work on the Canon
D-
SLR, no confusion involved. IMO Canon's clean break from the old manual
lenses to the new EOS lenses with a brand new EF mount made life a lot
easier for them and their customers, despite any pain during the
transition
for those that owned a lot of glass.



--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Zebedee wrote:

since I had to go AF to use digital then I wasn't forking out =A3800 for =
a
D70 body that won't accept any of my MF lenses and work with them when i
could get a D300 for =A3500 and a zoom lens for =A3200. Just what's the
point in buying Nikon any more?

The D70 has a better flash system, better matrix meter, bigger buffer,
faster compact flash interface, better ergonomics, better lens with the
kit bundle. On the other hand the 300D has a 100 ISO mode and access to a
wider range of IS/USM lenses.

I don't see the problem, MF lenses still work wonderfully on MF bodies.
I'm glad you switched, more cheap second hand MF lenses for me to buy. ;-)

--=20
Jose Marques

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Zebedee wrote:

since I had to go AF to use digital then I wasn't forking out =A3800 for =
a
D70 body that won't accept any of my MF lenses and work with them when i
could get a D300 for =A3500 and a zoom lens for =A3200. Just what's the
point in buying Nikon any more?

The D70 has a better flash system, better matrix meter, bigger buffer,
faster compact flash interface, better ergonomics, better lens with the
kit bundle. On the other hand the 300D has a 100 ISO mode and access to a
wider range of IS/USM lenses.

I don't see the problem, MF lenses still work wonderfully on MF bodies.
I'm glad you switched, more cheap second hand MF lenses for me to buy. ;-)

--=20
Jose Marques

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Philip Homburg wrote:

but I don't it is hard add a meter coupling fork to an AF lens.

My 60mm f/2.8 micro has two little marks on the aperture ring so mark where
to make the holes for the metering prong.

--
Jose Marques

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Philip Homburg wrote:

but I don't it is hard add a meter coupling fork to an AF lens.

My 60mm f/2.8 micro has two little marks on the aperture ring so mark where
to make the holes for the metering prong.

--
Jose Marques