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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels
even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." To give you an idea of what they consider unacceptable, the Rebel XT at 1600 was deemed as noisy at that setting. The commented that Panasonic's line all display this problem. Looking at the image samples on dpreview.com, it seems that the problem manifests itself mostly in underexposed areas of images when using higher ISO settings. All images even when exposed for properly have under and over exposed areas. Note the face in this image looks fine, being close to "high key", with minimal noise intrusion because of the illumination level. The hair shows considerable noise, as does the darker background. http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/pan...icture-165.jpg |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:13:20 -0500, Rich wrote:
They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." To give you an idea of what they consider unacceptable, the Rebel XT at 1600 was deemed as noisy at that setting. The commented that Panasonic's line all display this problem. Looking at the image samples on dpreview.com, it seems that the problem manifests itself mostly in underexposed areas of images when using higher ISO settings. All images even when exposed for properly have under and over exposed areas. Note the face in this image looks fine, being close to "high key", with minimal noise intrusion because of the illumination level. The hair shows considerable noise, as does the darker background. http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/pan...icture-165.jpg I see two faces in that image; the one on the right is horrible due to noise, and the one on the left is actually recognizable as a face, but not by much, the noise is so bad. If either of these faces look "fine" to you, I wonder what would look "poor." Are you looking at the photo in real size, or compressed? The noise in the building in the top half and the left of the photo is extremely bad. -- Bill Funk Replace "g" with "a" funktionality.blogspot.com |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
Rich wrote:
They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." To give you an idea of what they consider unacceptable, the Rebel XT at 1600 was deemed as noisy at that setting. The commented that Panasonic's line all display this problem. Looking at the image samples on dpreview.com, it seems that the problem manifests itself mostly in underexposed areas of images when using higher ISO settings. All images even when exposed for properly have under and over exposed areas. Note the face in this image looks fine, being close to "high key", with minimal noise intrusion because of the illumination level. The hair shows considerable noise, as does the darker background. http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/pan...icture-165.jpg Yes, the FZ-30 is not a DSLR. Tell us something new. That image was shot at ISO 400. Everybody knows what to expect from that. Pop Photo says all Panasonic cameras have bad noise problems, but they don't mention that all small-sensor cameras have noise problems? So much for their credibility. Paul Allen |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:41:19 -0800, Paul Allen "paul dot l dot allen
at comcast dot net" wrote: Rich wrote: They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." To give you an idea of what they consider unacceptable, the Rebel XT at 1600 was deemed as noisy at that setting. The commented that Panasonic's line all display this problem. Looking at the image samples on dpreview.com, it seems that the problem manifests itself mostly in underexposed areas of images when using higher ISO settings. All images even when exposed for properly have under and over exposed areas. Note the face in this image looks fine, being close to "high key", with minimal noise intrusion because of the illumination level. The hair shows considerable noise, as does the darker background. http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/pan...icture-165.jpg Yes, the FZ-30 is not a DSLR. Tell us something new. That image was shot at ISO 400. Everybody knows what to expect from that. Pop Photo says all Panasonic cameras have bad noise problems, but they don't mention that all small-sensor cameras have noise problems? So much for their credibility. Paul Allen Some are worse than others. Even a P&S should present a relatively noiseless image at 100 ISO or less. -Rich |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
Rich wrote:
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:41:19 -0800, Paul Allen "paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net" wrote: Rich wrote: They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." To give you an idea of what they consider unacceptable, the Rebel XT at 1600 was deemed as noisy at that setting. The commented that Panasonic's line all display this problem. Looking at the image samples on dpreview.com, it seems that the problem manifests itself mostly in underexposed areas of images when using higher ISO settings. All images even when exposed for properly have under and over exposed areas. Note the face in this image looks fine, being close to "high key", with minimal noise intrusion because of the illumination level. The hair shows considerable noise, as does the darker background. http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/pan...icture-165.jpg Yes, the FZ-30 is not a DSLR. Tell us something new. That image was shot at ISO 400. Everybody knows what to expect from that. Pop Photo says all Panasonic cameras have bad noise problems, but they don't mention that all small-sensor cameras have noise problems? So much for their credibility. Some are worse than others. Even a P&S should present a relatively noiseless image at 100 ISO or less. Yup. Some are worse than others. The FZ30 is a bit worse than some at ISO 100, and really terrible at higher ISO's. To assert that Panasonic's whole line is as bad as the FZ30 (and to imply that no other small-sensor cameras have trouble with noise) is incorrect at best, and grossly dishonest at worst. The sample image was ISO 400, not ISO 100, a detail that had to be dredged out of the EXIF because the OP didn't tell us. I think he has an ax to grind. Paul Allen |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
Rich wrote:
They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." They're not the first reviewer to hammer the FZ30 on the noise issue. dpreview wrote: "Noise is even an issue at ISO 80, a real problem at ISO 400 or in very low light" dcresource wrote: "Unfortunately, noise levels are above average, especially at ISO 200 and 400," concluding "if the noise levels were lower it would easily be one of the best cameras on the market, period." |
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Pop Photo gets it wrong about Panasonic FZ30 over noise
SMS wrote:
[] They're not the first reviewer to hammer the FZ30 on the noise issue. dpreview wrote: "Noise is even an issue at ISO 80, a real problem at ISO 400 or in very low light" dcresource wrote: "Unfortunately, noise levels are above average, especially at ISO 200 and 400," concluding "if the noise levels were lower it would easily be one of the best cameras on the market, period." Whatever these so-called reviews write, there are many happy users of the Panasonic FZ30 who are using it in real-world situations to take real photographs of real scenes, not of some test card and measure the result in software. What these reviewers and their software don't yet seem to do is to figure in the way the human eye responds to noise. Looking at an image at 100% zoom is like displaying it 30 or more inches wide on many displays. Who wouldn't expect and image to show imperfections at that magnification! The FZ30 may be a little noisier than some, but it's a very usable camera. David |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
Well, I am very happy with my FZ30. In fact I junked a 20D with 3 lenses to
get it and like it much better. The same image Rich wants you to look at is not typical of the camera and it was not shot at ISO 100. He didn't bother to tell you that in his rantings. r |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:22:30 -0800, Paul Allen "paul dot l dot allen
at comcast dot net" wrote: Rich wrote: On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:41:19 -0800, Paul Allen "paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net" wrote: Rich wrote: They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." To give you an idea of what they consider unacceptable, the Rebel XT at 1600 was deemed as noisy at that setting. The commented that Panasonic's line all display this problem. Looking at the image samples on dpreview.com, it seems that the problem manifests itself mostly in underexposed areas of images when using higher ISO settings. All images even when exposed for properly have under and over exposed areas. Note the face in this image looks fine, being close to "high key", with minimal noise intrusion because of the illumination level. The hair shows considerable noise, as does the darker background. http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/pan...icture-165.jpg Yes, the FZ-30 is not a DSLR. Tell us something new. That image was shot at ISO 400. Everybody knows what to expect from that. Pop Photo says all Panasonic cameras have bad noise problems, but they don't mention that all small-sensor cameras have noise problems? So much for their credibility. Some are worse than others. Even a P&S should present a relatively noiseless image at 100 ISO or less. Yup. Some are worse than others. The FZ30 is a bit worse than some at ISO 100, and really terrible at higher ISO's. To assert that Panasonic's whole line is as bad as the FZ30 (and to imply that no other small-sensor cameras have trouble with noise) is incorrect at best, and grossly dishonest at worst. The sample image was ISO 400, not ISO 100, a detail that had to be dredged out of the EXIF because the OP didn't tell us. I think he has an ax to grind. Paul Allen Two different sources. Images from dpreview.com, review from Popular Photography. -Rich |
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Pop Photo HAMMERS Panasonic FZ30 over noise
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:32:25 -0800, SMS
wrote: Rich wrote: They reviewed it, liked the resolution, but said that noise levels even at 100 ISO were "unacceptable." They're not the first reviewer to hammer the FZ30 on the noise issue. dpreview wrote: "Noise is even an issue at ISO 80, a real problem at ISO 400 or in very low light" dcresource wrote: "Unfortunately, noise levels are above average, especially at ISO 200 and 400," concluding "if the noise levels were lower it would easily be one of the best cameras on the market, period." It's resolution puts it (I believe) at the top of the list of prosumers right now. The problem with noise is that in some instances, it can be dealt with without wholesale destruction of detail, but in others, it kills the images to "clean it up." People's faces when suffused with noise are generally unrecoverable, but things like buildings can be made to look acceptable. -Rich |
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