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Windows Color Managment, Adobe Working Spaces, Adobe Gamma
I have decided to begin on the (seemingly) long path towards correct colour
reproduction for my computer, in particular my monitor. I believe I understand the basics of 'colour management', but fail to see how all these little elements form 'colour management' in it's entirety. I use a Dell P992 monitor, NVIDIA graphics card running on Windows XP Professional. I have Adobe Photoshop CS2 (and have in the past utilised Adobe Gamma) and Adobe Illustrator CS2. The P992 monitor includes and ICM profile (which I'm not sure whether to use or not). I will try and split up my questions for clarity 1. Windows XP Control Panel Display Settings Advanced Color Management What is the purpose of this? The computer has automatically installed the ICM profile I mentioned early for the monitor. Is this not superseded by Adobe Gamma AND Adobe Photoshop Color Settings? If indeed this is of any use at all where does it fit into the equation of Colour Management? By default the ICM profile has been installed with the monitor driver. Is this the best profile to use for this particular circumstance? Or would a custom made version be better (i.e. Adobe GAMMA ICC profile, Eye-One Display 2 profile etc.). I am unsure as to where to use the different profiles in each different case. 2. Adobe Software - Illustrator CS2, Photoshop CS2 (Color Settings Dialog Box) I am using http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps9_colour/ps9_1.htm as a tutorial to help me set up Adobe software and Adobe Gamma, which I'm hoping will be a good solution to follow. Am I right in saying Adobe Gamma simply alters the physical display properties of the monitor and nothing else, so that it resembles the optimum image to the eye? Is this independent from the 'Working Spaces' section in the Color Settings Dialog Box in Photoshop? What exactly is the function of this and again where does this fit exactly into the colour management equation? I appreciate any information concerning this, since answers to these particular questions seem unavailable on the internet. Thanks in advance. Andrew |
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Andy Leese wrote:
I have decided to begin on the (seemingly) long path towards correct colour reproduction for my computer, in particular my monitor. I believe I understand the basics of 'colour management', but fail to see how all these little elements form 'colour management' in it's entirety. Your first step should be to pick up a decent colorometer. I recommend the Spyder 2 from ColorVision. http://www.photoshopsupport.com/phot...on-spyder.html -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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On Nov 22 2006 1:06 PM, MarkČ wrote:
Your first step should be to pick up a decent colorometer. I recommend the Spyder 2 from ColorVision. http://www.photoshopsupport.com/phot...on-spyder.html I like the Pantone Huey. http://www.macworld.com/2006/07/reviews/huey/index.php Rob-L __________________________________________________ ___________________* RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com |
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Windows Color Managment, Adobe Working Spaces, Adobe Gamma
"Andy Leese" wrote in message ... I have decided to begin on the (seemingly) long path towards correct colour reproduction for my computer, in particular my monitor. I believe I understand the basics of 'colour management', but fail to see how all these little elements form 'colour management' in it's entirety. I use a Dell P992 monitor, NVIDIA graphics card running on Windows XP Professional. I have Adobe Photoshop CS2 (and have in the past utilised Adobe Gamma) and Adobe Illustrator CS2. The P992 monitor includes and ICM profile (which I'm not sure whether to use or not). Hi. Your questions require a considerably longer answer than would be appropriate here. Ian Lyons site "computer-darkroom" has more than enough theoretical and practical info to satisfy your needs. If your Dell monitor is a Flat Panel, Adobe Gamma will not be a lot of use, you would really need a hardware calibrating device. There is no point in trying to do anything about colour management until your Monitor is known to be showing accurate colours. Roy G |
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Rob-L wrote:
On Nov 22 2006 1:06 PM, MarkČ wrote: Your first step should be to pick up a decent colorometer. I recommend the Spyder 2 from ColorVision. http://www.photoshopsupport.com/phot...on-spyder.html I like the Pantone Huey. http://www.macworld.com/2006/07/reviews/huey/index.php Rob-L __________________________________________________ ___________________ RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com I use Gretamacbeth. http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/in...isplay%202.htm |
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On Nov 22 2006 3:55 PM, Roy G wrote:
[snip] Ian Lyons site "computer-darkroom" has more than enough theoretical and practical info to satisfy your needs. [snip] Roy G Here is the URL. Thanks for the tip! http://www.computer-darkroom.com/home.htm Rob-L __________________________________________________ ___________________* : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com |
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"Andy Leese" wrote in message
... I have decided to begin on the (seemingly) long path towards correct colour reproduction for my computer, in particular my monitor. I believe I understand the basics of 'colour management', but fail to see how all these little elements form 'colour management' in it's entirety. I use a Dell P992 monitor, NVIDIA graphics card running on Windows XP Professional. I have Adobe Photoshop CS2 (and have in the past utilised Adobe Gamma) and Adobe Illustrator CS2. The P992 monitor includes and ICM profile (which I'm not sure whether to use or not). Hi Andy, Here's a procedure that should get you on track, without having to buy any additional hardware. Start by installing your P992 profile as your monitor profile. If you like the result, stick with it. This is controlled in the color tab or your display properties. If necessary, move the Adobe Gamma loader from the startup folder to another location, and reboot your system. Then run Adobe Gamma control panel, load the profile, and immediately quit without changing anything. This will ensure that Photoshop will register the correct monitor profile in its registry settings. Next, load or otherwise create a gray step wedge of 21 steps, and make sure that you can just detect the brightest and darkest squares, and that there is no overall color cast, or a cast affecting part of the gradient. I've created a step wedge like this, that also includes skin tones: http://www.curvemeister.com/download...test_strip.htm Here is another recent test that uses gradients of various colors to test your video setup for banding. http://www.curvemeister.com/download.../gradient6.png If the step wedge and gradients look good in Photoshop, you're golden. If they do not, download the following pair of free utilities, which will help to calibrate and profile your display: http://quickgamma.de/QuickMonitorProfile/indexen.html http://quickgamma.de/indexen.html Many people choose to purchase hardware to calibrate their displays, but this is not necessary for single user systems where the extra time spent calibrating manually is less important than the budget. I also believe that it's a good chance for a hands on color adjustment experience to ensure that your monitor is set up correctly. Good images were being created long before monitor calibration gadgets arrived on the scene. -- Mike Russell www.curvemeister.com/forum/ |
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Thanks for the response. I have it in hand to get a monitor callibration
tool Spyder or gretagmacbeth probably. my main question (and the question that I can't seem to find an answer to anywhre) is... What is the purpose of Windows XP Control panel Display Settings Advanced Color Management ? It's a simple question, but I can't find the answer anywhere. If I am using Adobe Gamma (to make my monitor display colors correctly) and using color management in Photoshop etc... what purpose is this in Windows? What does it do that anything else doesn't do? I really can't find anything on its actual function in microsoft documentation and web sites etc... Thanks again... |
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Windows Color Managment, Adobe Working Spaces, Adobe Gamma
"Andy Leese" wrote in message ... Thanks for the response. I have it in hand to get a monitor callibration tool Spyder or gretagmacbeth probably. my main question (and the question that I can't seem to find an answer to anywhre) is... What is the purpose of Windows XP Control panel Display Settings Advanced Color Management ? It's a simple question, but I can't find the answer anywhere. If I am using Adobe Gamma (to make my monitor display colors correctly) and using color management in Photoshop etc... what purpose is this in Windows? What does it do that anything else doesn't do? I really can't find anything on its actual function in microsoft documentation and web sites etc... Thanks again... Hi. From what I can make out, all that the Display Settings Colour Management does is to allow you to select which Monitor Profile is used as the Default for that Monitor. You also need to check that Photoshop is using the same Profile as its Monitor Profile. Roy G |
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Windows Color Managment, Adobe Working Spaces, Adobe Gamma
Andy Leese wrote:
Thanks for the response. I have it in hand to get a monitor callibration tool Spyder or gretagmacbeth probably. my main question (and the question that I can't seem to find an answer to anywhre) is... What is the purpose of Windows XP Control panel Display Settings Advanced Color Management ? They're are useful settings that are generally good for the monitor being used. If one were not into graphics, these settings would suffice for general use. But they do not calibrate the monitor to display colors accurately in the environment where the monitor is being used. For example, I have calibrated the color temperature of my monitor to be 5500K, in a moderately darkened room. The color temperature I have chosen to use as the calibrated mode for my monitor is close to daylight temperature and using that as a baseline for viewing my photographs, I can readily see the true effects of filters or just the ambient colors of the scene photographed. It's a simple question, but I can't find the answer anywhere. If I am using Adobe Gamma (to make my monitor display colors correctly) and using color management in Photoshop etc... what purpose is this in Windows? What does it do that anything else doesn't do? If you had the opportunity to calibrate your monitor (Adobe Gamma must be off and any other generalized monitor tool must be off during the calibration process) and compare the settings you're presently using to the new calibrated setting you have created specifically for the monitor used, you would see a difference in the display of colors. There may be major difference or there may be a minor difference, but there would be a difference. The difference would be seen from specifically customizing your monitor to your ambient working conditions as opposed to using a generalized setting that does not compensate for the brightness and color temperature of the ambient light in the room. I chose the gretamacbeth color calibrator over the spider 2 because the gretamacbeth will allow the user to choose one out of about 7 optional color temperatures when calibrating the monitor as opposed to the spider 2 allowing the user to choose one color temperature from about 3 offered. If one choses not to use the advanced mode of calibration, I believe the color calibrator will default to 5000k as the standard color temperature. I think the spider 2 will do the same; that is, default to 5000k as the standard color temperature. Once having calibrated the monitor, reminders can be set in time periods of your choosing, to check the calibration thereby maintaining a constant standard color temperature, screen brightness, contrast, and tonal range. I really can't find anything on its actual function in microsoft documentation and web sites etc... Thanks again... |
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