40D Versus D200

I'm planning to buy a dslr and was looking at the new 40D body for around
11-1200. However, I've seen low actuation D200 bodies available for around
800-1000 which seems a better value. Will I suffer without a sensor dust
removal system if I go with the Nikon? I have no lenses for either camera.

"RBrickston" wrote in message
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I'm planning to buy a dslr and was looking at the new 40D body for around
11-1200. However, I've seen low actuation D200 bodies available for around
800-1000 which seems a better value. Will I suffer without a sensor dust
removal system if I go with the Nikon? I have no lenses for either camera.

Unless you live in the desert and tend to change lenses in a storm, you have
no problem. I have the D40x and have never had to remove dust.
Go with the Nikon unless you want Livewview in which case you're much, much
better of with the D300.
I ordered mine ;-))

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I have a photographic memory..."
Sosumi

RBrickston wrote:
I'm planning to buy a dslr and was looking at the new 40D body for around
11-1200. However, I've seen low actuation D200 bodies available for around
800-1000 which seems a better value. Will I suffer without a sensor dust
removal system if I go with the Nikon? I have no lenses for either camera.

Buy a Pentax K10D (new $650 CAD), vibration reduction, sensor cleaning
(generally most seem to think all in camera dust removal doesn't really
work) 10mp, same as the Canon 40D and a D200 (new down to $1300 CAD)
weather sealed.

Dust is a real issue but sensor cleaning is very simple and does not need to
be performed very often. I recently slogged a D70 and D80 through Africa and
while dust was visible in some sky areas it is a minor issue. It takes
seconds to clean with a dry sensor cleaning pad (I have never had to use
liquid).
I would recommend you consider dSLRS for what is in the cameras and the
lenses and not worry about dust removal in and of itself. Nice to have but
not necessarily a deal breaker.
The 200d is a great camera but if you do not have manual focus Nikon lenses
the D80 is a far greater value and possibly even the d40x for a novice.
The Canons, like the Nikons, are all good cameras for what they are.
The Pentax 10d is a great value but the current Pentax lens line-up does not
match Canon/Nikon. Hopefully that will change.
Ditto for the Sony, although they are catching up. However their Zeiss
badged lenses approach Leica prices.
Raw is raw and all these cameras make great raw images. However if you are a
jpeg person Nikon is the clear winner for in-camera image processing.
Low end Canon lenses are probably the worst, all other Canon lenses as good
as any others.
Nikon low end lenses are equally dubious and their better lenses
inexplicably pricey considering actual performance and build.
For a novice with no lenses image stabilization built into the camera should
be a significant consideration and so you may also want to consider the
Olympus 4/3 system. I can see why those coming from P&S digital would want
live preview, but it is more of a selling point than a must-have for a dSLR
IMHOP because the LCD has less detail than the TTL viewfinder, the reason
you buy a dSLR to begin with.

"RBrickston" a écrit dans le message de
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I'm planning to buy a dslr and was looking at the new 40D body for around
11-1200. However, I've seen low actuation D200 bodies available for around
800-1000 which seems a better value. Will I suffer without a sensor dust
removal system if I go with the Nikon? I have no lenses for either camera.

D200 = noise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go with the 40D

"Not Disclosed" a écrit dans le message de
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RBrickston wrote:
I'm planning to buy a dslr and was looking at the new 40D body for
around
11-1200. However, I've seen low actuation D200 bodies available for
around
800-1000 which seems a better value. Will I suffer without a sensor dust
removal system if I go with the Nikon? I have no lenses for either
camera.

Buy a Pentax K10D (new $650 CAD), vibration reduction, sensor cleaning
(generally most seem to think all in camera dust removal doesn't really
work) 10mp, same as the Canon 40D and a D200 (new down to $1300 CAD)
weather sealed.

you forgot the crappy auto focus, lack of lenses, terrible QC on the new
"made in Vietnam lens", the useless SR and sensor cleaning, noise at ISO
800, worst jpg engine on the market, you have to shoot raw, etc.

Avoid Pentax !!!

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Dust is a real issue but sensor cleaning is very simple and does not need
to
be performed very often. I recently slogged a D70 and D80 through Africa
and
while dust was visible in some sky areas it is a minor issue. It takes
seconds to clean with a dry sensor cleaning pad (I have never had to use
liquid).
I would recommend you consider dSLRS for what is in the cameras and the
lenses and not worry about dust removal in and of itself. Nice to have but
not necessarily a deal breaker.
The 200d is a great camera but if you do not have manual focus Nikon
lenses
the D80 is a far greater value and possibly even the d40x for a novice.
The Canons, like the Nikons, are all good cameras for what they are.
The Pentax 10d is a great value but the current Pentax lens line-up does
not
match Canon/Nikon. Hopefully that will change.
Ditto for the Sony, although they are catching up. However their Zeiss
badged lenses approach Leica prices.
Raw is raw and all these cameras make great raw images. However if you are
a
jpeg person Nikon is the clear winner for in-camera image processing.
Low end Canon lenses are probably the worst, all other Canon lenses as
good
as any others.
Nikon low end lenses are equally dubious and their better lenses
inexplicably pricey considering actual performance and build.
For a novice with no lenses image stabilization built into the camera
should
be a significant consideration and so you may also want to consider the
Olympus 4/3 system. I can see why those coming from P&S digital would want
live preview, but it is more of a selling point than a must-have for a
dSLR
IMHOP because the LCD has less detail than the TTL viewfinder, the reason
you buy a dSLR to begin with.

wors post ever, full of bs

In article , fac187
@hotmail.com says...
Dust is a real issue but sensor cleaning is very simple and does not need to
be performed very often. I recently slogged a D70 and D80 through Africa and
while dust was visible in some sky areas it is a minor issue. It takes
seconds to clean with a dry sensor cleaning pad (I have never had to use
liquid).
I would recommend you consider dSLRS for what is in the cameras and the
lenses and not worry about dust removal in and of itself. Nice to have but
not necessarily a deal breaker.
The 200d is a great camera but if you do not have manual focus Nikon lenses
the D80 is a far greater value and possibly even the d40x for a novice.
The Canons, like the Nikons, are all good cameras for what they are.
The Pentax 10d is a great value but the current Pentax lens line-up does not
match Canon/Nikon. Hopefully that will change.
Ditto for the Sony, although they are catching up. However their Zeiss
badged lenses approach Leica prices.
Raw is raw and all these cameras make great raw images. However if you are a
jpeg person Nikon is the clear winner for in-camera image processing.
Low end Canon lenses are probably the worst, all other Canon lenses as good
as any others.
Nikon low end lenses are equally dubious and their better lenses
inexplicably pricey considering actual performance and build.
For a novice with no lenses image stabilization built into the camera should
be a significant consideration and so you may also want to consider the
Olympus 4/3 system. I can see why those coming from P&S digital would want
live preview, but it is more of a selling point than a must-have for a dSLR
IMHOP because the LCD has less detail than the TTL viewfinder, the reason
you buy a dSLR to begin with.


I don't consider myself a novice having used various slrs since the early
70's, but thanks for the informative commentary.

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Sosumi wrote:

Unless you live in the desert and tend to change lenses in a storm,
you have no problem. I have the D40x and have never had to remove
dust. Go with the Nikon unless you want Livewview in which case
you're much, much better of with the D300.
I ordered mine ;-))

I agree, go with the Nikon. I turned the automatic sensor cleaner off on
the old Mk III a couple days after I got it. And I wouldn't use LiveView as
a deciding factor in selecting a dSLR either. Canon's LiveView on the Mk
III is pretty lame and I can't comment on Nikon's version. I suspect
Nikon's version might not be that much better. Clean the sensor manually.


The D300 is substantially more $ than a used D200 or new 40D; live view
capability is not a factor.

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RBrickston wrote:
I'm planning to buy a dslr and was looking at the new 40D body for
around
11-1200. However, I've seen low actuation D200 bodies available for
around
800-1000 which seems a better value. Will I suffer without a sensor dust
removal system if I go with the Nikon? I have no lenses for either
camera.

Buy a Pentax K10D (new $650 CAD), vibration reduction, sensor cleaning
(generally most seem to think all in camera dust removal doesn't really
work) 10mp, same as the Canon 40D and a D200 (new down to $1300 CAD)
weather sealed.

you forgot the crappy auto focus, lack of lenses, terrible QC on the new
"made in Vietnam lens", the useless SR and sensor cleaning, noise at ISO
800, worst jpg engine on the market, you have to shoot raw, etc.

Avoid Pentax !!!

I believe the K10D will accept most all of Pentax's lenses, all the
way back to the early 70's. They've made some of the best in the
business, so I would not sell them short in the lens option
department.

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