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Old December 2nd 07, 11:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital, sci.electronics.design
Viator
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

I was curious if anyone has thought of the following way to
reduce image noise, in particular noise that comes from an
electromagnetic source i.e. not light. The idea is,
just cover most of the camera with tinfoil, everything except
the lens of course. By this method, the only signal noise
that affects the analog sensor elements will be of either
internal origin (the circuits) or optical.

But will it work? I haven't tried it, since I temporarily don't
have a digital camera.
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Old December 3rd 07, 12:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital, sci.electronics.design
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

It wont make any difference as the internal electronics are low
impedance anyway.

The noise is caused by the semiconductor material not outside
interference.
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Old December 3rd 07, 12:45 AM posted to rec.photo.digital, sci.electronics.design
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

On Dec 3, 3:42 am, Marra wrote:
It wont make any difference as the internal electronics are low
impedance anyway.

The noise is caused by the semiconductor material not outside
interference.


Part of it is also inherent in the incoming signal (because at low
enough levels the photon's discreteness is important).
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Old December 3rd 07, 02:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital, sci.electronics.design
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On Dec 3, 1:00 am, Viator wrote:
I was curious if anyone has thought of the following way to
reduce image noise, in particular noise that comes from an
electromagnetic source i.e. not light. The idea is,
just cover most of the camera with tinfoil, everything except
the lens of course. By this method, the only signal noise
that affects the analog sensor elements will be of either
internal origin (the circuits) or optical.

But will it work? I haven't tried it, since I temporarily don't
have a digital camera.


No, it will not work. A tinfoil hat on the operators head
might be a more useful idea, though...

Dimiter
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Old December 3rd 07, 03:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,sci.electronics.design
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:00:14 -0800 (PST), Viator
wrote:

I was curious if anyone has thought of the following way to
reduce image noise, in particular noise that comes from an
electromagnetic source i.e. not light. The idea is,
just cover most of the camera with tinfoil, everything except
the lens of course. By this method, the only signal noise
that affects the analog sensor elements will be of either
internal origin (the circuits) or optical.

But will it work? I haven't tried it, since I temporarily don't
have a digital camera.


The noise comes from the sensor and the electronics, not from radio
signals around you.

You can reduce noise by cooling the camera. That reduces in the sensor
and electronics. Don't cool below freezing, though, because then the
battery will fail.

Ed
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Old December 3rd 07, 09:36 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,sci.electronics.design
Ron Hunter
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

Viator wrote:
I was curious if anyone has thought of the following way to
reduce image noise, in particular noise that comes from an
electromagnetic source i.e. not light. The idea is,
just cover most of the camera with tinfoil, everything except
the lens of course. By this method, the only signal noise
that affects the analog sensor elements will be of either
internal origin (the circuits) or optical.

But will it work? I haven't tried it, since I temporarily don't
have a digital camera.


I think your tinfoil helmet has slipped.
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Old December 3rd 07, 09:38 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,sci.electronics.design
Ron Hunter
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

EAL wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:00:14 -0800 (PST), Viator
wrote:

I was curious if anyone has thought of the following way to
reduce image noise, in particular noise that comes from an
electromagnetic source i.e. not light. The idea is,
just cover most of the camera with tinfoil, everything except
the lens of course. By this method, the only signal noise
that affects the analog sensor elements will be of either
internal origin (the circuits) or optical.

But will it work? I haven't tried it, since I temporarily don't
have a digital camera.


The noise comes from the sensor and the electronics, not from radio
signals around you.

You can reduce noise by cooling the camera. That reduces in the sensor
and electronics. Don't cool below freezing, though, because then the
battery will fail.

Ed


It is true that even a small reduction in the temperature of the sensor
can greatly lower noise. However, one runs into power problems (lithium
batteries can help), and condensation problems when the camera is
returned to room temperatures.
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Old December 3rd 07, 10:20 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,sci.electronics.design
Chris Malcolm[_2_]
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

In rec.photo.digital Didi wrote:
On Dec 3, 1:00 am, Viator wrote:


I was curious if anyone has thought of the following way to
reduce image noise, in particular noise that comes from an
electromagnetic source i.e. not light. The idea is,
just cover most of the camera with tinfoil, everything except
the lens of course. By this method, the only signal noise
that affects the analog sensor elements will be of either
internal origin (the circuits) or optical.

But will it work? I haven't tried it, since I temporarily don't
have a digital camera.


No, it will not work. A tinfoil hat on the operators head
might be a more useful idea, though...


It would help if the tinfoil was very thick, say an inch, and deep
frozen first before applying it to the camera half an hour before
taking a photograph.

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Old December 3rd 07, 04:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
irwell
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea

On 3 Dec 2007 10:20:07 GMT, Chris Malcolm
wrote:

In rec.photo.digital Didi wrote:
On Dec 3, 1:00 am, Viator wrote:


I was curious if anyone has thought of the following way to
reduce image noise, in particular noise that comes from an
electromagnetic source i.e. not light. The idea is,
just cover most of the camera with tinfoil, everything except
the lens of course. By this method, the only signal noise
that affects the analog sensor elements will be of either
internal origin (the circuits) or optical.

But will it work? I haven't tried it, since I temporarily don't
have a digital camera.


No, it will not work. A tinfoil hat on the operators head
might be a more useful idea, though...


It would help if the tinfoil was very thick, say an inch, and deep
frozen first before applying it to the camera half an hour before
taking a photograph.

He could also mount a high powered phase cancellation oscillator
on the camera.
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Old December 4th 07, 12:36 AM posted to rec.photo.digital, sci.electronics.design
Viator
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Default Digital camera noise reduction idea


No, it will not work. A tinfoil hat on the operators head
might be a more useful idea, though...


I appreciate your maturity.

 




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