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Here is information about the Virginia Tech killer
AustinMN wrote:
On Apr 18, 11:51 am, strabo wrote: snip snipped Actually, this required a number of things that you are ignoring: 1) The knowledge of how many shooters there were. The only that matters is the one about to shoot you. 2) Ability to identify the shooter or shooters were on sight. That would be the one shooting students. 3) A command structure capable of organizing the effort. When there is no exit, charge. When ambushed Marines are taught to charge as the best defense and offense. 4) Sufficient training on how to take down an armed person when you yourself are unarmed. Have you heard of fear and rage? Direct it toward the threat. That's all the training needed. snipped ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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J.F. Cornwall wrote:
Li RM wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:51:54 -0400, strabo wrote: snipped This guy was on a mission and my gut feeling is that even stopping to slap in a new mag is about all the down time he would have wanted to take. "slapping in a new mag" counts as reloading... Even if it takes only a few seconds, that's time for someone to try rushing him. I would hope *I* would be brave enough to do it, were I to find myself in that situation. Cthulhu willing, I hope never to have to find out, however... What bravery? Jesus man, you're going to be killed in a few seconds! Either you move to escape or you remove the threat. That's not bravery. That's survival 101. Jim ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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The Source wrote:
Last Name: Cho Major: Engineering (Senior) Firearm #1: Glock 19 Firearm #2: Walther P-22 And the country that allows mental cases to buy semi-automatic guns like a Glock United States of America. Cho should have been committed, but they let him out. |
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strabo wrote:
J.F. Cornwall wrote: Li RM wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:51:54 -0400, strabo wrote: snipped This guy was on a mission and my gut feeling is that even stopping to slap in a new mag is about all the down time he would have wanted to take. "slapping in a new mag" counts as reloading... Even if it takes only a few seconds, that's time for someone to try rushing him. I would hope *I* would be brave enough to do it, were I to find myself in that situation. Cthulhu willing, I hope never to have to find out, however... What bravery? Jesus man, you're going to be killed in a few seconds! Either you move to escape or you remove the threat. That's not bravery. That's survival 101. True, but you still have to have *something* kickstart the mind & body out of the natural reaction that has you hiding behind cover... Call it bravery, call it rational thought, whatever. It still has to happen. Or not... Jim |
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Here is information about the Virginia Tech killer
On 4/18/07 7:29 PM, in article , "Bob Brock" wrote: "Robert Sturgeon" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:07:25 -0700, Bill Funk wrote: On 17 Apr 2007 19:00:05 -0700, " wrote: What guarantee do you have that "to keep and maintain a firearm and receive recurrent training" in the use of these firearms would NOT have 100 times more incidents like the Virginia Tech massacre? Remember, the availability of firearms is the cause of these shootings. Excuse me? The "the availability of firearms is the cause of these shootings"? Why, of COURSE that's the cause. I was at a trapshooting event last Sunday, and 37 people were shot to death!!! It got so bad we almost had to take a break from the trapshooting. Bloody bodies all over the place... You mean the fact that I own a gun means I will shoot someone? That's what you just said. Sure. Owning a gun means you are bound to go on a murderous shooting spree!!! You want guarantees? Buy a car. Life does not come with guarantees. We have a ban in illegal drugs; did that come with a guarantee that there would be no overdose deaths from drug abuse? They had a ban on guns on the VT campus. How did that work out? BTW, did you see the videos that he sent to the news media between killing sprees? In addition to the handguns, he poses with a knife and a hammer. How in the hell will we build houses if hammers are outlawed? "Nail-gun"? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On 4/18/07 7:46 PM, in article , "PirateJohn" wrote: On Apr 18, 8:29 pm, "Bob Brock" wrote: They had a ban on guns on the VT campus. How did that work out? BTW, did you see the videos that he sent to the news media between killing sprees? In addition to the handguns, he poses with a knife and a hammer. How in the hell will we build houses if hammers are outlawed?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nail guns? Sorry, bad example. REALLY bad example --PirateJohn-- www.PirateJohn.com DAMN! Beat me to the obvious... ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:47:42 -0500, "J. F. Cornwall"
wrote: strabo wrote: J.F. Cornwall wrote: Li RM wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:51:54 -0400, strabo wrote: snipped This guy was on a mission and my gut feeling is that even stopping to slap in a new mag is about all the down time he would have wanted to take. "slapping in a new mag" counts as reloading... Even if it takes only a few seconds, that's time for someone to try rushing him. I would hope *I* would be brave enough to do it, were I to find myself in that situation. Cthulhu willing, I hope never to have to find out, however... What bravery? Jesus man, you're going to be killed in a few seconds! Either you move to escape or you remove the threat. That's not bravery. That's survival 101. True, but you still have to have *something* kickstart the mind & body out of the natural reaction that has you hiding behind cover... Call it bravery, call it rational thought, whatever. It still has to happen. Or not... Jim This guy must have moved very quickly from room to room. Because I think both comments are accurate - even just moving to an instinctual survival mode should have happend to at least a few people. They must have been overwhelmed too quickly. Or - we will find out that people did try and rush him and they simply didn't succeed. Either way, from the looks of him in his pictures and video, I would say he would have been very tough to get an upper hand on without a gun. |
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On Apr 19, 1:59 am, strabo wrote:
AustinMN wrote: On Apr 18, 11:51 am, strabo wrote: snip snipped Actually, this required a number of things that you are ignoring: 1) The knowledge of how many shooters there were. The only that matters is the one about to shoot you. Ah, I see. So you know there's only one who is about to shoot you because you saw it on TV and therefore can move backwards in time and set it straight. If you are going to move from a defensive position to an offensive one, you suddenly expose yourself to the tail gunner, and are dead - and useless. 2) Ability to identify the shooter or shooters were on sight. That would be the one shooting students. And the one shooting the shooter is...shooting a student! Man, you really are stupid. 3) A command structure capable of organizing the effort. When there is no exit, charge. Wrong. When ambushed Marines are taught to charge as the best defense and offense. Wrong. They are taught to take cover and return fire. Leaving cover to charge = dead marine. 4) Sufficient training on how to take down an armed person when you yourself are unarmed. Have you heard of fear and rage? Direct it toward the threat. That's all the training needed. Dead hero. There are ways to take down an armed person, but if you have not been trained to do so, there is no way in hell you will get me. snipped I notice you snipped all the other stuff that proved you were an idiot. Austin |
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In response to the lies and bull**** posted by the gun-nut sociopath
from Jacksonville, read further to learn what an absolute scumbag he is and how this credit to the State of Florida lives among you. It ain't pretty, and, beware of a possible gun-nut rampage in the future from him! From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,alt.obituaries,rec.photo.digital ,misc.survivalism,soc.veterans Subject: Here is information about the Virginia Tech killer Date: 18 Apr 2007 17:46:38 -0700 Message-ID: .com --------------------------------- Folks, for your own safety, pay close attention to the activities of the gun-nut sociopath defined below by his own words. He is liable to become the next perpetrator of reprehensible acts of extreme violence. Information about gun-nut sociopath PirateJohn Gilmer of Jacksonville, Florida From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Kill-file update: Roy, AKA 'A' Date: 18 Apr 2007 14:55:29 -0700 Message-ID: .com If it were legal and I could afford it, I would love to have a Heckler and Koch MP-5 submachinegun with a solid stock. I always thought that was an odd combination until I fired one, and realized how comfortable and accurate they are. I have seriously considered buying a pistol with a threaded barrel and obtaining a legal silencer, which one can do in certain places and if you can get the permission of certain people, and are willing to pay the $$$ required. I felt like I could get the permission, but the $$$ (including a campaign contribution, I suspect) just never made it seem worthwhile. I did have an opportunity once to buy a legal MAC-11 at a fair price. That's the MAC submachinegun designed for the .380 round and almost always equipped with a silencer. - - - From: PAMNOT (PirateJohn) Subject: The Dark Side never rests! Date: 1998/12/27 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 426178755 Newsgroups: alt.showbiz.gossip Am I the only one that thinks that a lot of Rocky's (and other assorted rightwinger's) hatred of The Prez. stems from Clinton's tightening of firearms laws?? Let's face it - the thought of someone like Rocky having access to a firearm is scary. Can we say 'keep him away from the local McDonalds on his bad days'?? grin {'ol John... looking over at his AR-15 carbine - and glad that these things are generally unobtainable by medicated people, like Rocky, in California...} - - - From: PAMNOT (PirateJohn) Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Date: 07 Mar 2001 01:28:52 GMT Subject: MadCow is a fake; was NY Man Dies After Sucked Down Drain Message-ID: And, just for the record, Yours Truly has a North Carolina concealed carry permit. Never felt the urge to get one in FL. And a H&K P7 in the center console. And an AR-15 carbine as a boat rifle. My motto is that with so many armed nutcase rightwingers out there that every neighborhood needs to have an honest, stable, armed liberal. In my neighborhood that's me. - - - From: PAMNOT (PirateJohn) Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Date: 07 Nov 2002 17:55:58 GMT Subject: JB's a Democrat??? Message-ID: Hell, I'm about as liberal as they come and I regularly carry a 9mm pistol and keep an AR-15 rifle in the house. My motto is that with as many armed rightwing nutcases as there are in the World there needs to be at least one armed liberal in each neighborhood to keep those rednecks in line - - - From: OAWAY (Billy Righteous) Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration Date: 06 Jun 2003 18:03:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Matricula consular ID card are now illegal in Colorado! Message-ID: I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. If you ever put me in a position where I should reasonably fear for my life, then you won't have to worry about going back to your cardboard box of a home. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally. - - - From: OSPAM (PirateJohn) Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Date: 13 Feb 2004 22:04:35 GMT Subject: Attacker DEAD: Man saves his life and wife's with a [horrible]HANDGUN Message-ID: I merely said that you were a coward. You need to read closer. Second of all, there's no doubt in my mind that you are a wannabe. I've had two instances in my life where I've had to hold a pistol on someone, and they both talked big until they were looking down the barrel of a gun. ---------------------------------- Hopefully, someone at Moffitt Corporation, 1351 13th Avenue South, Suite 130, Jacksonville Beach, FL 32250, http://www.moffitthvac.com, was doing something constructive while concurrently, their employee Pirate John Wesley Gilmer III (aka, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , or any of the following in this partial list of additional known aliases: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , bresner@eatmyshorts, , , , , which are all associated with http://www.buccaneerpublishing.com/, http://www.BuccaneerPress.com, http://www.PirateJohn.com, http://www.RidingIntoHistory.org, http://groups.google.com/group/jimmy_buffett-moderated, as well the Atlantic Beach Vintage Motorcycle Club http://www.ABVMC.com for which Pirate John Wesley Gilmer III boasts of being its "el presidente" and about an Iron Butt Association 50CC in 2001 and his 1998 BMW R1100GS "Robomantis", 1996 BMW K1100RS mk. II "Franken-K" a/k/a "The ArrestMeRed K", 1997 F650 She Who Must Be Obeyed's bike 1986 BMW K100RS Flying Brick) who resides at 12526 Agatite Road, Jacksonville, Florida 32258 while sweetheart scamming the house's alleged owner Deborah Lynch (aka, of http://www.deblynchrealtor.com) who is not worried about her privacy as stated in usenet "Message-ID: . com" and instructed him to "give the jackasses both barrels"... From: "BuccaneerJuan" Newsgroups: alt.fan.oj-simpson Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:37 AM Subject: Is Karen Anderson still trolling this newsgroup? Try this link as to who I am:http://www.buccaneerpublishing.com/AdventureGuide.htm - - - Whois: buccaneerpublishing.com buccaneerpublishing.com = [ 66.218.79.165 ] Domain Name.......... buccaneerpublishing.com Creation Date........ 2004-06-08 Registration Date.... 2004-06-08 Expiry Date.......... 2005-06-08 Organisation Name.... Administrator Organisation Address. 12526 Agatite Rd. Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Jacksonville Organisation Address. 32258 Organisation Address. FL Organisation Address. UNITED STATES Admin Name........... Administrator Buccaneer Press Inc. Admin Address........ 12526 Agatite Rd. Admin Address........ Admin Address........ Jacksonville Admin Address........ 32258 Admin Address........ FL Admin Address........ UNITED STATES Admin Email.......... Admin Phone.......... 1.9048748633 - - - From:http://anon1.coj.net/realestate/Fina...No=158365-0000 Duval County Tax Collector 2004 Real Estate Tax Summary Property Information Real Estate No. 158365-0000-7 Name DEBORAH LYNCH Address 12526 AGATITE RD Mailing Address for the Property 12526 AGATITE RD JACKSONVILLE FL 32258 - 5306 Legal Description of Property 28-41 23-4S-27E GS JULINGTON COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES R/P LOT 6 BLK 5 Tax Information Assessed Value 142260 Govt. Tax Value 117260 Exempt Code H RE Tax Lien Amt. Non Ad Val By Int. Amt. By Pen Amt. Gross Tax 2,199.01 .00 .00 .00 .00 2,199.01 CURRENT YEAR TAX TOTAL AMOUNT DUE IF PAID IN November December January February March April 2,111.05 2,133.04 2,155.03 2,177.02 2,199.01 2,268.73 Payment Information Paid Code UNPAID Paid Date Exception Code 000 - - - Since he brags about his numerous GPS units so often, here are the coordinates to the house address so he can find it better: Decimal Degrees Deg:Min:Sec Lat: 30.142338 30:08:32.417N Lon: -081.561846 81:33:42.646W - - - From the archives at Google http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.obituaries/ [The comments at the bottom of the judgment are by the person who initially posted the message containing the following information about this DEADBEAT.] DEBTOR: GILMER, JOHN CREDITOR: NORWEST FINANCIAL AMERICA INC AMOUNT: $ 1,233 NUMBER: B8972P2221 TYPE: OPEN JUDGMENT ENTERED: 6/11/1998 STATUS: OPEN So much for all that independently wealthy bull****. Ya' can't even pick up a $1200 tab. $1200 ... Since 1998. A judgment for $1200. Ya' ain't nuttin' but a slug. A deadbeat. - - - And then there's the following message he posted. He denies that he did post it because it didn't originate at AOL which allows him to hide behind numerous identities but, you know very well how he lies. With all of the character assassination and other malicious mayhem he commits, you don't think he could hold himself back from branching out to other domains and areas of specific, and sexual, interests, do you? From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories.gay Subject: Gay Bikers Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:01:42 -0500 Any Gay Bikers out there? - - - http://www.bmwsearch.net/main/digest...-20031399.html Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:06:14 -0400 From: JGilmer Subject: BMW: Shoei Syncrotec replacement? Shoei dealers seem to be clearing out their inventories of this helmet. Does anyone know if it's getting ready to be replaced and, if so, do you have any details on the successor and the time frame on when it might appear? - --PirateJohn-- a/k/a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John W. Gilmer Data Manager Moffitt Corporation Jacksonville Beach, FL - - - Using those details I searched and found the following website: http://www.moffitthvac.com/ Moffitt Corporation 1351 13th Avenue South, Suite 130 Jacksonville Beach, FL 32250 Phone: 904/241-9944 Fax: 904/246-8333 - - - http://www.bmwsearch.net/main/digest...-20012002.html Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:46:57 -0600 From: Subject: BMW: Ride To Savannah VII Starts Tomorrow Scheduled to attend: Joey Gilmer Jacksonville, FL Pirate John Jacksonville, FL - - - http://members.aol.com/theshoprag2/aug04/page2.htm BMWNEF was represented at the Asheville Rally by the following members: JOHN GILMER AND DEBORAH ================================================= List of chicken**** TROLL aliases recently used: From: Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Crazy nutcase Cmelak (the Hoodini Troll) is stalking again. Look at what he wrote about another person in a newsgroup. Typical of a Zappaqueer, right? Date: 18 Apr 2007 16:06:24 -0700 Message-ID: . com From: Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Kill-file update: Roy Lieberman, AKA 'A' Date: 18 Apr 2007 11:32:41 -0700 Message-ID: .com From: George Bush Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.ji mmy-buffett,alt.obituaries Subject: Creepy stalker TJ Hardman, a failed political candidate in Baltimore, continues to stalk others, was Adios to the San Diego Minutemen Date: 10 Apr 2007 18:18:39 -0700 Message-ID: .com From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,alt.obituaries,rec.photo.digital ,misc.survivalism,soc.veterans Subject: Here is information about the Virginia Tech killer Date: 17 Apr 2007 11:05:14 -0700 Message-ID: .com From: Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.gothic,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.obituaries,balt.general Subject: Creepy stalker TJ Hardman, a failed political candidate in Baltimore, continues to stalk others, was Adios to the San Diego Minutemen Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: .com From: Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Plonk. That's the sound of Hoodini going back into the troll file Date: 18 Apr 2007 15:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: .com ~~~~ John Wesley Gilmer III, 12526 Agatite Road, Jacksonville, Florida 32258; (904) 247-3543 or (904) 652-7222 or (904) 268-5220 or (904) 673-0932; "I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally." -- john wesley gilmer III; john wesley gilmer III is, of course, "el Presidente, Atlantic Beach Vintage Motorcycle Club, www.ABVMC.com" |
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