cloudy this morning

On Thu 26 Dec 2013 00:35, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:10:08 -0500, PeterN
wrote:
: On 12/25/2013 11:03 AM, Savageduck wrote:
: On 2013-12-25 15:54:03 +0000, PeterN said:
:
: Shooting conditions were, to say the least, almost ideal. Heavy cloud
: conditions, and low light, making for low contrast images.
: Here's a guy, just caught a fish.
: Be truthful, but gentle with your comments. This is far from a
: finished image.
:
: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/bee145.jpg
:
: The biggest problem I have with that shot is the out of date weather
: report and "fishy" description. the EXIF tells me you shot that on
: August 25, not this morning. So you have had 5 months to work on it.
: What's up with that?
:
:
: Oops, Sorry, wrong link.
: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_Enter%20custom%20name%20hereSinibel%20bir ds_1499.jpg

Florida residents get to enjoy Christmas dinner outdoors.

Bob


So do China residents. But it's f******** cold!

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Paul Rooney

On 2013-12-26 08:38:12 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:20:07 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-12-26 02:12:47 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2013-12-26 02:05:35 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2013-12-26 01:40:24 +0000, PeterN said:



Forget the link

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1624_rev.jpg

Much

better!

Did

you

try the sharpening mask and see what I was trying to tell yo? I use
that feature in both ACR and LR as part of by regular workflow.

In the line above the following typos are corrected: you for "yo", my for "by".

You could have used the ACR selective adjustment brush on the spread
wings to lighten the shadows slightly, set black/white points, etc.
This is where using the "Camera RAW filter" is useful, in that you can
tale a duplicated adjustment layer, or Smart object back into ACR an
make those tweaks.

...and here we have take for "tale", and for "an".

I must be developing your typing skills. ;-)

Just for fun I only used the "Camera RAW Filter" and the selective
adjustment brush to paint the underside of the wings. Then adjusted the
shadows, contrast, clarity, and a touch more sharpness.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_487.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/PN-O1.jpg

That one seems a little bit overdone to my eyes.

Just toying about with the jpeg, to illustrate a tool. As you know,
there is a big difference between having a very compressed jpeg or a 24
MB NEF to work on. That was the reason to show the ACR mask shot.

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Regards,

Savageduck

On 12/26/2013 8:03 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-12-26 08:38:12 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:20:07 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-12-26 02:12:47 +0000, Savageduck
said:

On 2013-12-26 02:05:35 +0000, Savageduck
said:

On 2013-12-26 01:40:24 +0000, PeterN
said:



Forget the link

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1624_rev.jpg


Much

better!

Did

you

try the sharpening mask and see what I was trying to tell yo? I use
that feature in both ACR and LR as part of by regular workflow.

In the line above the following typos are corrected: you for "yo",
my for "by".

You could have used the ACR selective adjustment brush on the spread
wings to lighten the shadows slightly, set black/white points, etc.
This is where using the "Camera RAW filter" is useful, in that you can
tale a duplicated adjustment layer, or Smart object back into ACR an
make those tweaks.

...and here we have take for "tale", and for "an".

I must be developing your typing skills. ;-)

Just for fun I only used the "Camera RAW Filter" and the selective
adjustment brush to paint the underside of the wings. Then adjusted the
shadows, contrast, clarity, and a touch more sharpness.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_487.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/PN-O1.jpg

That one seems a little bit overdone to my eyes.

Just toying about with the jpeg, to illustrate a tool. As you know,
there is a big difference between having a very compressed jpeg or a 24
MB NEF to work on. That was the reason to show the ACR mask shot.


I know.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1625.NEF

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PeterN

On 12/26/2013 2:58 AM, Noons wrote:
On 26/12/2013 12:40 PM, PeterN wrote:


Forget the link

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1624_rev.jpg






Nice. I've taken the liberty of showing you what can be achieved by
using Focus Magic. Of course: post-post-post-sharpening, still...
Befo
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/...FMsampleb4.jpg
After FM, very mild:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/...ampleafter.jpg

Give me a tif, larger file to start with and the results might really
surprise you. Of course: say the word and I'll delete the images from
my ISP - just there to illustrate a point.

I did this recently with an Oly EM5 and a CZ50/1.4 (watch url wrap!):
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...2k-d6yvr38.jpg



that's a nice pleasant scene. Unfortunately, you are having the same
basic issue I have. Over exposure in the whites & highlights.

Here is an acceptable overexposure.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC5121_4844.jpg

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PeterN

On 2013-12-27 00:55:27 +0000, PeterN said:

On 12/26/2013 8:03 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-12-26 08:38:12 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:20:07 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

Le Snip


Just for fun I only used the "Camera RAW Filter" and the selective
adjustment brush to paint the underside of the wings. Then adjusted the
shadows, contrast, clarity, and a touch more sharpness.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_487.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/PN-O1.jpg

That one seems a little bit overdone to my eyes.

Just toying about with the jpeg, to illustrate a tool. As you know,
there is a big difference between having a very compressed jpeg or a 24
MB NEF to work on. That was the reason to show the ACR mask shot.


I know.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1625.NEF

That

was lost in the 404 error of the internet.



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Regards,

Savageduck

On 27/12/2013 12:08 PM, PeterN wrote:

I did this recently with an Oly EM5 and a CZ50/1.4 (watch url wrap!):
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...2k-d6yvr38.jpg

that's a nice pleasant scene. Unfortunately, you are having the same
basic issue I have. Over exposure in the whites & highlights.

Very little, but yes. One of the things the Oly can do is handle
overexposure in highlights better than anything else short of film.
There is only a very small area of the bird that has the highlights
blown and that is exactly how I wanted it: little point in showing
detail in what is essentially just pure white. I was more interested in
showing the roundness of the body with just a little smidgeon of shadow
to expose it. The original image is of course a LOT larger and more
detailed, this is just for the web so don't expect lots of minutia. I've
got a slightly different treatment of the raw in another image that may
be more pleasing to your taste, will post it later.



Here is an acceptable overexposure.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC5121_4844.jpg


Yeah, piercing detail! But here the issue is also the contrast: the
shadow areas should be a LOT lighter. In fact I think they are. But
unfortunately the high contrast doesn't let us verify that.
Is that a Photoshop paintbrush the fella is using? Looks like a kitchen
brush...

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Forget the link

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1624_rev.jpg

I also had some fun with your photo. Move your cursor over the image to
see the difference:

http://home.comcast.net/~mhmyers/webdir/osp/osp.html

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photo gallery:
http://mhmyers.com

On 12/26/2013 8:38 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-12-27 00:55:27 +0000, PeterN said:

On 12/26/2013 8:03 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-12-26 08:38:12 +0000, Eric Stevens
said:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:20:07 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

Le Snip


Just for fun I only used the "Camera RAW Filter" and the selective
adjustment brush to paint the underside of the wings. Then adjusted
the
shadows, contrast, clarity, and a touch more sharpness.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_487.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/PN-O1.jpg

That one seems a little bit overdone to my eyes.

Just toying about with the jpeg, to illustrate a tool. As you know,
there is a big difference between having a very compressed jpeg or a 24
MB NEF to work on. That was the reason to show the ACR mask shot.


I know.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1625.NEF


That

was lost in the 404 error of the internet.



I checked the link, it sseems to be correct. Try again.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1625.NEF

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PeterN

On 12/27/2013 3:07 AM, Noons wrote:
On 27/12/2013 12:08 PM, PeterN wrote:

I did this recently with an Oly EM5 and a CZ50/1.4 (watch url wrap!):
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...2k-d6yvr38.jpg


that's a nice pleasant scene. Unfortunately, you are having the same
basic issue I have. Over exposure in the whites & highlights.

Very little, but yes. One of the things the Oly can do is handle
overexposure in highlights better than anything else short of film.
There is only a very small area of the bird that has the highlights
blown and that is exactly how I wanted it: little point in showing
detail in what is essentially just pure white. I was more interested in
showing the roundness of the body with just a little smidgeon of shadow
to expose it. The original image is of course a LOT larger and more
detailed, this is just for the web so don't expect lots of minutia. I've
got a slightly different treatment of the raw in another image that may
be more pleasing to your taste, will post it later.


The only person you need to please is you.





Here is an acceptable overexposure.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC5121_4844.jpg


Yeah, piercing detail! But here the issue is also the contrast: the
shadow areas should be a LOT lighter. In fact I think they are. But
unfortunately the high contrast doesn't let us verify that.
Is that a Photoshop paintbrush the fella is using? Looks like a kitchen
brush...

G

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PeterN

On 12/27/2013 4:43 AM, M-M wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Forget the link

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20131225_sanibel%20birds_1624_rev.jpg

I also had some fun with your photo. Move your cursor over the image to
see the difference:

http://home.comcast.net/~mhmyers/webdir/osp/osp.html

Nicely done. I like your version better than mine.


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PeterN