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I like Rineke Djikstra
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I like Rineke Djikstra
J. Clarke wrote:
wrote: wrote: Because I have a sense of humour. And it IS crap. -- Paul Man. The more you say it's crap the more you show ignorance, stop it Call me ignorant too. I think they are woeful. You said yourself, quite early in this thread: "..you can recreate this shot on any English afternoon within minutes perhaps.." "..nevermind that the picture looks like it was shot with a disposable point and shoot.." Don't those words tell *you* something? Sadly a significant amount of art is an accident. Sometimes it has nothing to do with quality images - a series of blurred/mangled rubbish can often become 'art'. Why? Why NOT? Art is all about desirability. Not about being technically, or even artistically good. And it can also be about luck (or luck-by-design - if you happen to know an art gallery curator/collector/raconteur, pretty well *anything* can be made into a desirable collection...) And if you *want* drab/boring/fuzzy/technically incompetent images for effect/mood (and they *can* be very effective, don't get me wrong - I'll Holga with the best of 'em!) - why not use *exactly* that type of image, and call them art? Is there anything wrong with that? Nope. Is there anything wrong with people like Paul (and me) calling it rubbish? Nope. Should images like these be promoted as something to aspire to? (grin) Why don't *you* answer that, casio? - and tell us how *you* would go about it. Or if you don't ewant to, why not exactly? You've already indicated that it should be easy to take similar shots... so.... ??? It's indisputable that these pictures have a tremendous amount of art. On what basis precisely? That they are in a *few* museums/collections? That they sell for a lot of money? They are pretty bad/sad criteria in my opinion, so I'm hoping you have other reasons. I think a much better test for art is that the object/image invokes emotion in a powerful way... For me, these don't even come close to doing so. They do me. The emotion is amazement that anybody would actually pay good money for such crap. And awe for Rineke's abilities as a con woman. And disgust with myself for not thinking of so obvious a scam. Andy Warhol was operating in just such a vein, but seemed slightly less subtle and with just a little different focus. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Not the "I'm 23 and I say I'm an artist so I do whatever I want and what I call art is art" So you are saying that doesn't happen? Or just *here*..? no, but the "I studied the content of hundreds and hundreds of years of art over some decades of my life and it was a deep and very, very disciplined studying". Then can you briefly summarise your conclusions for us about what makes a fine art piece, or did you mean *Rineke* did that (and that ergo we must accept that whatever she does is art to the finest degree)..? A friend of mine studied the content of hundreds and hundreds of years of art over some decades of her life, even ran a major museum for a while, and she does not even pretend that that gives her the ability to _create_ art. Signed, The Devil's Avocado... (O; Seems to me "Art" or the Art-ness of a given display is likely to fall somewhere on the Gaussian curve of worthiness. Each of us will develop a sense of standard deviations from the mean, and I think agree in a surprising number of cases. The instances when there is little accord are those whose resonances do not immediately succumb to blending effects of statistics; they will, eventually. I still think Rineke's art earns a place on the Art curve, perhaps even a bit above the mean; however, like the sad-eyed puppies and children of yesteryear, the proportion of crap-content is relatively high. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It's just a little irritating that someone loves their adoptive, retarded children more than mine. -- Frank ess |
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