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Old October 30th 18, 07:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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Il giorno Tue 30 Oct 2018 02:06:52a, *George P* ha inviato su
alt.windows7.general il messaggio news cosa ha scritto:

I just tried it with Irfan on 30 photos and it took less than one
second. batch conversion / advanced / etc


This worked.



if you dare to try faststone, it has similar functions

http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm



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Old October 30th 18, 02:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In message 12,
Ammammata writes:
Il giorno Tue 30 Oct 2018 02:06:52a, *George P* ha inviato su
alt.windows7.general il messaggio news cosa ha scritto:

I just tried it with Irfan on 30 photos and it took less than one
second. batch conversion / advanced / etc


This worked.



if you dare to try faststone, it has similar functions

http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm

Would you care to explain why you used the word "dare" (-:?


I've now looked at it (well, the webpage - I've not installed it); from
the list of features, it looks _very_ like IrfanView, with one exception
for me: multilevel undo/redo. (Which is something IrfanView has lacked
for some time: it has undo, but only one level.)

I've downloaded it. Whether I ever get round to trying it, who knows (-:
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Old October 30th 18, 03:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I've now looked at it (well, the webpage - I've not installed it); from
| the list of features, it looks _very_ like IrfanView, with one exception
| for me: multilevel undo/redo. (Which is something IrfanView has lacked
| for some time: it has undo, but only one level.)
|

I think this has been talked about before. Once you
need multi-undo, you probably need an image editor
and not a viewer. IV is a wonderful program that can
do all sorts of things, but using it as an editor is a
case of diminishing returns.


The learning curve is somewhat extreme with
graphic editors, so a lot of people prefer to try to
stretch IV. IV will certainly stretch. But there's a
limit.

For editing there's GIMP, Paint.net, free older
versions of PSP, reasonably priced current versions
of PSP, and probably other good software.

No one needs to try to shoehorn
graphic editing into a viewer. Nor is it necessary to
jump from viewer functionality to overpriced, limited
Adobe products. In general it's not even necessary to
spend money. Graphic operations, for the most part,
are relatively simple and rely on old technology, so
there's a lot of software around.

George P has presented a good example of what
IV is good for: He has 50 screenshots. He doesn't
care what format they are. JPG? Then he's going to
damage them, at least slightly, in the cropping and
resaving. He doesn't care. He apparently has no
plans to touch them up or try to improve them. He
doesn't need good pictures. He just wants to quickly
crop 50 low-grade images. That's a good job for IV.
But if he wanted to do things like brighten, sharpen,
crop intelligently, add text, paste in sections, etc
then he'd be much better off with a full graphic editor
rather than trying to do all that in IV.

To my mind FastStone is a remnant of an earlier
time. Like WinZip, it dates to a time 20 years ago
when the functionality it provides wasn't available
without paying a fairly high price. Windows could
display a BMP, GIF, or JPG back then. That was
about it.
FastStone is free for home use, but that's a bit
silly. They're trying to maintain an outdated business
model. Like buying MS Office Home for $150 rather
than using Libre Office. Even after paying $150, MS
would be claiming I can't legally write a business
letter, create a contract DOC, or design my own
business cards with their software. FastStone is
claiming I can only use their software to look at
pictures and can't do anything that could somehow
lkead to someone making money. Which means I
couldn't even look at pictures if I were doing it at
work. It's a ridiculous and even somewhat sleazy
licensing limitation.


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Old October 30th 18, 04:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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Default Cropping 50 images to the same bottom left corner

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

For editing there's GIMP, Paint.net, free older
versions of PSP, reasonably priced current versions
of PSP, and probably other good software.

No one needs to try to shoehorn
graphic editing into a viewer. Nor is it necessary to
jump from viewer functionality to overpriced, limited
Adobe products.


except that they're not limited nor overpriced. in fact, they cost
about the same as psp with similar functionality, but why let that
detail get in the way of a rant.
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Old October 30th 18, 04:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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Il giorno Tue 30 Oct 2018 03:49:59p, *J. P. Gilliver (John)* ha inviato su
alt.windows7.general il messaggio . Vediamo
cosa ha scritto:

Would you care to explain why you used the word "dare" (-:?


maybe George P "cares" about his computer and doesn't dare to install
something new

or maybe my English is slowly getting worse...

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Old October 30th 18, 04:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
[]
I think this has been talked about before. Once you
need multi-undo, you probably need an image editor
and not a viewer. IV is a wonderful program that can
do all sorts of things, but using it as an editor is a
case of diminishing returns.

I find it does virtually all I need to do. I'd need a very good reason
to invest (and sorry to sound like "Arlen Holder" here, but "invest"
includes learning time) in anything else.

The learning curve is somewhat extreme with
graphic editors, so a lot of people prefer to try to
stretch IV. IV will certainly stretch. But there's a
limit.

For editing there's GIMP, Paint.net, free older
versions of PSP, reasonably priced current versions
of PSP, and probably other good software.

No one needs to try to shoehorn
graphic editing into a viewer. Nor is it necessary to


But I, for one, am glad they have (-:!

jump from viewer functionality to overpriced, limited
Adobe products. In general it's not even necessary to


I'd certainly agree with that.

spend money. Graphic operations, for the most part,
are relatively simple and rely on old technology, so
there's a lot of software around.

George P has presented a good example of what
IV is good for: He has 50 screenshots. He doesn't
care what format they are. JPG? Then he's going to
damage them, at least slightly, in the cropping and
resaving. He doesn't care. He apparently has no


Not necessarily: "lossless JPEG crop" is possible. (Including in
IrfanView; I don't know if just the basic IV or with the plugins, since
I always install both anyway.) It is slightly restricted in that it
limits the crop sizes (to a multiple of 16 pixels I think).

plans to touch them up or try to improve them. He
doesn't need good pictures. He just wants to quickly
crop 50 low-grade images. That's a good job for IV.
But if he wanted to do things like brighten, sharpen,
crop intelligently, add text, paste in sections, etc
then he'd be much better off with a full graphic editor
rather than trying to do all that in IV.


IV has a batch processing ability, which can do some of those things
(not sure which; I think I've only ever used it to rename). Obviously if
he wanted to do _different_ things to each image it'd be no use, the
same applying to any batch processing anything else can offer too.

To my mind FastStone is a remnant of an earlier
time. Like WinZip, it dates to a time 20 years ago
when the functionality it provides wasn't available
without paying a fairly high price. Windows could
display a BMP, GIF, or JPG back then. That was
about it.


Ignoring prejudices related to business models and general philosophy,
are you saying the actual software is older or newer than IrfanView? [Or
aren't you commenting on that, just having a rant (-:?]

FastStone is free for home use, but that's a bit
silly.


But very common among software.

They're trying to maintain an outdated business
model. Like buying MS Office Home for $150 rather
than using Libre Office. Even after paying $150, MS
would be claiming I can't legally write a business
letter, create a contract DOC, or design my own
business cards with their software. FastStone is
claiming I can only use their software to look at
pictures and can't do anything that could somehow
lkead to someone making money. Which means I
couldn't even look at pictures if I were doing it at
work. It's a ridiculous and even somewhat sleazy
licensing limitation.

Each to his own opinion! (I'm not disagreeing with any of the _facts_
you've stated: yes, in theory, those are all true.) Many years ago, I
did actually buy IrfanView because I liked it and was using it a lot,
and I also even bought it for my employer, so I could use it at work
with no worry (I never actually told them I'd done so, or claimed the
cost back). I think FastStone is significantly more expensive, though
(though I've no idea what IV costs these days so may be wrong there).

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Old October 30th 18, 06:09 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Mayayana
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| I find it does virtually all I need to do. I'd need a very good reason
| to invest (and sorry to sound like "Arlen Holder" here, but "invest"
| includes learning time) in anything else.

No argument here. Graphic editors are tremendously
complex and take a long time to get the hang of.


the better ones are very easy to use.

| George P has presented a good example of what
| IV is good for: He has 50 screenshots. He doesn't
| care what format they are. JPG? Then he's going to
| damage them, at least slightly, in the cropping and
| resaving. He doesn't care. He apparently has no
|
| Not necessarily: "lossless JPEG crop" is possible. (Including in
| IrfanView; I don't know if just the basic IV or with the plugins, since
| I always install both anyway.) It is slightly restricted in that it
| limits the crop sizes (to a multiple of 16 pixels I think).

Yes. If you want to split hairs. But in general
a JPG is lossy. It's already damaged in being a JPG.
So there won't be many cases where a lossless JPG
crop is relevant.


false.

It might look fine, but a lot of data has already
been dumped out, even at top quality. (0 or 100
quality number, depending on which tool you use.)
That's important when you're trying to do operations
like saturation or brightness. Even in the best JPGs
you'll see little rectangles (blended pixels) when
you zoom in.


false.

subtract the highest quality jpeg from the original and you'll see
there is *very* little difference.

| IV has a batch processing ability, which can do some of those things
| (not sure which; I think I've only ever used it to rename). Obviously if
| he wanted to do _different_ things to each image it'd be no use, the
| same applying to any batch processing anything else can offer too.

Yes. Anything he's doing in batch mode is
general, with no concern for quality. That's
fine. There's a place for that. Like I said,
that's what IV is great for.


also false. batch mode does not affect quality. it just automates what
would otherwise have been done one by one.


Big changes happened as PCs matured. More good
and free software destroyed the shareware market.
It's not a matter of philosophy. It's just a matter of
changes in the landscape. I was also affected by
that change. Shareware doesn't sell anymore. People
don't need to pay for the software they use.


they do if they want quality. although there are exceptions, most free
software is not particularly good.

maybe that's why you are having difficulties figuring out how to use
your graphic editor.


There's very little software I've paid for. BootIt.
Paint Shop Pro. Visual Studio 6. But even some
versions of VS can be had for free these days in
the form of "express" versions. Free and OSS
products provide most of what most people need.


the many billions of dollars spent for software say otherwise.

(Thus, the cloud. If companies could keep selling
new updates for the high prices they used to get
then there would be no cloud. Cloud is just a land
grab being marketed as futuristic technology.)


false.


Yes, indeed. If you go to the store and pay 10
times the going rate for a light bulb in order to be
"licensed" to use it in a lamp at work, that's no skin
off my back. And if you buy carrots at $10 or 5
pounds each for the company picnic.... that's your
choice.
But this licensing is a scam. I don't point it out
because I like to rant. I point it out so that poor
suckers like you or me don't end up being tricked
into paying $10 for a carrot, or $500 for an office
suite they don't need. Or $40 for an image viewer
they don't need.


too bad you don't understand what you claim to be pointing out. nobody
is paying 10 times the going rate for anything.
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Old October 30th 18, 08:50 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Mayayana
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| It might look fine, but a lot of data has already
| been dumped out, even at top quality. (0 or 100
| quality number, depending on which tool you use.)
|
| [Does it have _no_ lossless compression setting?]

No. If you try a small sample you can see it. I just
tried it with a 30x90 button BMP that's a gradient
image. Saving it as JPG and then zooming 15x shows
an entirely different pattern of pixel colors.


jpeg was designed for real world photos, not pixel peeping 30x90 pixel
buttons with a gradient, and you probably didn't choose the highest
quality either.




An interesting aside to this: IBM just bought
Red Hat. I think it was something like $15B.


try again. it was $34b.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/tech/ibm-red-hat/index.html
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Old October 31st 18, 01:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,rec.photo.digital
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| Red Hat sold tech support. You need a change, they'd provide it
| "for a fee". Or you could write it yourself. Open Source.
|

I don't know all the details, but it sounds to me
like they were twisting the rules a bit, selling an
OS with support while giving away Fedora. It's
not really so different from Microsoft. The latter
sells a product and provides support free. The former
sells support and provides the product free.

https://www.redhat.com/en/store

Pretty expensive for free stuff.
They also have subscriptions. What are they selling
if Linux is OSS? Apparently they *officially* sell their
trademarked artwork (Red hat logos) because that's
the only part that one can't share with friends. One
can have Red Hat free from CentOS, minus the logos.

Giving it away, along with patches, then selling
support separately, would have been the honest
approach. Just as Google's Android is based
on Linux and theoretically OSS. Yet who can actually
choose how it runs? Phone makers in the US are
required to install Google's software. In the EU
they only recently got the right not to. In some
ways that's more restrictive than Windows. And
the spyware is undoubtedly much worse... Good
old OSS.


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Old October 31st 18, 01:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,rec.photo.digital
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

Giving it away, along with patches, then selling
support separately, would have been the honest
approach. Just as Google's Android is based
on Linux and theoretically OSS. Yet who can actually
choose how it runs? Phone makers in the US are
required to install Google's software.


no they aren't.

In the EU
they only recently got the right not to.


wrong on that too.
 




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