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"Ken Lucke" wrote in message
news:050120071031573221% Oregon uses reflectors on almost every
recently-resurfaced primary,
secondary, and tertiary road (since about 1990) I have ever driven on -

Well, you haven't driven on the roads that I have to drive on, on a regular
basis........


and I've driven ALL of Oregon's major (and MOST of its minor) highways.
The OP is just so f#$%@^&%cking blind at night he can't even see those.

And how would you know that? You have never met me, nor ever driven anywhere
with me.


Oregon also, recently (a few years back), began using the "vibration
warning strips"

Great devices......They keep many truckers from falling asleep and running
off the roads.......

(I don't know the actual technical name for them - the
countersunk grooves alongside the lane to warn you physically when you
stray over the line, by vibrating your teeth out of their sockets)

They call them "vibration warning strips".

on
secondary roads, not just on Interstates. Along with raised & ridged
white and yellow stripes down the lanes and centers, which do the same
thing (with the exception of areas where snowplows would scrape them
off - where of course they use countersunk reflectors instead).


On some roads, but on far too few roads......

It't just that the dangerous old geezer is looking for
self-rationalization and justification for his dangerous decisions to
continue to drive when he freely admits that he is not capaple of doing
so safely don't allow him to admit such things.

And how would you know what, "dangerous decisions" I make? You must be able
to read my mind as well as Democrats can read George Bush's mind......It's
amazing how many mind readers we have in the society today........

"Bill Funk" wrote in message

I never mentioned explosive decompression.
What I have in mind is the fact that a *LOT* of wires and tubes run in
the walls, cieling and floor of the cabin.

Yes, and hitting many of these with a bullet would be disastrous. But you
have to balance that possibility against the possibility that a hijacked
aircraft could end up inside an office building as happened on 9/11. I don't
know if the authorities have done that or not, but I would personally take
my chances with the bullet.

"J.F. Cornwall" wrote in message
...
Laurence Payne wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:18:00 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Ah. Mr. Heinlin. Writes a very good yarn, but his attitudes are
somewhat to the right of Genghis Kahn.
Not on everything. It is very liberal as to sexual mores.
Also quite a champion of women's rights.

Read him again. Especially the later stuff. I've just re-read "Job".
His women are granted "rights" by men, in return for absolute
obedience,

And "Job" was poking sharp pointy sticks into the characters of the book
who held those beliefs, until they matured and changed their ways of
thinking... Reread, this time more carefully.

Jim

Yes.....Not everything an author writes into a character means he is a
believer.....That's why they call it, "fiction".

"Pudentame" wrote in message news:459eafce$0$18114

RESULT: Over-speeding the starboard engine, causing the engine to
disintegrate. Pieces of the engine struck the fuselage, breaking a window,
resulting in a rapid explosive decompression. A passenger was sucked out
of the plane.

The plane was subsequently landed "safely".

.....For everyone else......:^)

"Pudentame" wrote in message
...
Ron Hunter wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:

I wrote a nice letter to the Canada Revenue Service people clearly
explaining my desire to make ethanol for auto use. Being the totally
unimaginative people they are they simply explained the law (despite me
explaining why the law prevented "home" brewing of ethanol in a correct
manner for E85 making) as it exists with no remedy to the practical
problem.

Makes a libertarian like me want to set up one of your stills and work it
24/7 even if I just flushed its output down the toilet.....(which I would
probably have to do, since I can't drink the stuff.....It interferes with a
couple of my diabetes medications.)

Ken Lucke wrote:
In article , Pudentame
wrote:

Ken Lucke wrote:

Uh, no. Sorry. The human pelvis is wider than that, even crushed.
Just because an octopus can squeeze itself out though a hole no bigger
than its beak, doesn't mean a human will squirt out a window similarly.

I see you still don't have an example. Cite ONE case where a human
being was blown out through an airliner window sized hole. Note the
parameters here, which are in line with the original discussion of
fireams in an airliner cabin.
3 November 1973; National Airlines DC10; over New Mexico, USA: The
aircraft had an uncontained failure of one of the wing mounted engines.
A piece of the engine struck the fuselage and broke a passenger window.
One of the 116 passengers was sucked out of the aircraft during a rapid
decompression. The remains of the passenger were not found.

NTSB Identification: DCA74AZ031

Does it specify that the hole remained only the size of the window, or
did the damage extend the aperture (g to use a photog term and have
some relevance to this group)? I'd wager on the latter.


Nope. You lose your bet.

Here's a photograph of the side of the aircraft, showing one missing
window. There's no enlargement of the window opening at all.

http://faalessons.workforceconnect.o...f_50e2efdca602

or

http://tinyurl.com/y69ed9

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:16:40 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Discovery Channel Mayday cockpit window installed with wrong bolts it happened in the UK about 10 years ago


They even had live pictures of the landing with him hanging from the
cockpit window! Amazing!

Oh right. Yes, I remember that one. Fair enough, though I thought
we were talking about passengers being sucked through improbably small
cabin windows.

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:16:59 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:


"Michael Benveniste" wrote in message

"To a great extent," so long as you ignore that little spot of
unpleasantness that caused 600,000+ deaths less than 80 years
later.

I wish there was a law that says, "One is not allowed to mention the 600,000
deaths unless one mentions the 2,000,000 deaths that Saddam Hussein managed
to accomplish during his 30 year reign as Iraqi dictator." - How convenient
it is to only harp on the one figure, and never give the other a passing
thought........



OK. So there's TWO people needed hanging. One death is sufficient,
yes?

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:12:11 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

We've all seen the idiocies that result from treating the Bible that
way.

Comparing the Bible, written god only knows how many years ago, by god only
knows who, to a document that came from the heritage of John Locke, and John
Stewart Mill is not reasonable.

Isn't the point of the Bible that God DID know who?

Not sure who the other guys were. Not part of my folklore.

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:22:10 -0800, "William Graham"
wrote:

Yes......Except that my essential point, that the roads are unsafe, and
could be greatly improved, wasn't (and isn't) "wrong" as you put it.....So
why should I "admit that I'm wrong" to you? You certainly haven't done
anything or added anything useful to the discussion of that point, have
you? - All you've done is harp on me for wanting (and needing, on a personal
level) to drive somewhere at night.

That's right. We agree that the roads are unsafe. So I shall
continue to harp on about your "wants" and "needs" that app arrantly
take priority over any responsibility for not doing something unsafe
to you and others.